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There are no degrees of gameness? You are a clown. I'll give you an example, two dogs face the same dog. One within 10 minutes of getting punished tucks tale and refuses to scratch, dog two takes the same punishement and scratches back with vigour, after 4 scratches he eventually quits. On paper there both not game, but only an idiot like you can not see one was gamer than the other

 

You son can not learn anything, you can't educate pork

 

Don't kid yourself, both dogs in your example are curs...

 

Yes but one is less game than the other

 

Almost don't count in this game.

 

I bet all.your dogs are game haha

 

Lol wait so that means all pit bulls are game so I'm going to broaden it all dogs must have some varying degree of gameness there are labs that's will fight for 10 min so there game too huh? Just not as game? Both of those dogs are curs the end....I'd love to here your definition of game Damon .....I'll wait....

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Well, unlike you I don't sit around on the internet watching and daydreaming about dogs all day as I'm too busy raising and working them. Hands on experience will always teach you more than the internet will.

My dogs are game, they play chess pretty well

 

LMAO, this guy's a fucking moron. Both dogs are curs, you stupid idiot. First dog is a cur, and so is the second one. Both dogs are curs, that's the end of it. On paper, they are both curs for having quit, but you are beyond the point of moronic to comprehend this. No dog that is game will quit, you stupid idiot.

 

Oh damn, that must be it. Forget 10 mins, a dog that quits after he gets nipped is also game, maybe not as game as the greats, but he's game because he took a bite from another dog lmao.

 

You are a fucking clown, so every pitbull that quit is a rank cur according to an idiot like you. A top dogman like you would laugh at the oppurtunity of owning a useless rank cur like bullyson and many others, yeh right ha. You probably masturbate over stories of these useless curs. You boy are a dunce!

 

So according to you any dog that quits regardless of punishment is exactly as game as another dog that quits, id like to meet all your game dogs haha

 

Urgh what are you doing on here then you numpty? Ha

 

I can tell by the way you type that your just a kid. Probably still live at home with your parents, don't own a dog from either breed and doesn't know much about the subject of matching dogs other than what you regurgitate from what you read on the internet. No point in trying to educate someone who thinks they already know it all.

"Nothing in this world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" ---- Martin Luther King Jr.

 

If we are to agree that dogs can have different degrees of gameness (or curness, if you will) on different days and under different circumstances (and I believe that most of us have witnessed this fact), then we can't even be certain of the absolute gameness of a dog that we see die with his tail wagging, because we can only speculate about how he might have performed on a different day, at a different age, with a different opponent We must bear in mind that a living thing, dog or man, is a biochemical dynamic entity that is in a constant state of flux They and we are different now than we were even one minute ago. The conditions and tendencies that existed yesterday may be long gone tomorrow. So perhaps we should only say about a dog that he was game or cur on a particular day, under specific circumstances?

Also, we should ask ourselves what the objective of a match is? Is it to determine gameness? If it is, it is often a miserable failure. Most often we see one dog quit and the winner is most often still of undetermined gameness. How often does the winner die in the pit? If he doesn’t, then he wasn't truly tested, was he? If there is only one degree of gameness and that degree is dead-gameness and we have game testing as our objective, then the irony is that just as we are proving the worth of our dog, we are proving our own stupidity as we are destroying our own worthy dog.

Maybe the objective of a match is simply to see which dog can scratch longer than the other dog, which relegates gameness to rote as being but one of several significant ingredients.

Now if we are truly intending to be gameness fanatics, then matching is a relatively useless forum for us. The best method for breeding "game" dogs is to breed our prospects all we intend to, then test them to their death (with video camera rolling) and if they die right, raise their pups. If they are not, then euthanize their pups. Even better, let's have a team of medical experts present who can "revive" our clinically dead dogs so that they can be tested for "dead gameness" on another day, under other circumstances. One would think that a double-dead-game dog would be better than a dog that only died right once. In this way we can determine if a dead game performance by a dog was truly indicative of his genetic make-up and to ensure that he didn't just have a day in which he rose above his true worth, much like Buster Douglas when he fought Tyson.

I think, as have indicated at length elsewhere, that gameness (defined as the willingness to persevere against adversity) is a state (affected by numerous traits) that may vary to a significant degree within a dog from day to day, and certainly is present in different amounts from animal to animal. The fact that it is variable is amply demonstrated by the great degree of variability of time that matches last. Gameness is defined by a continuum that ranges from none to complete, from a willingness to endure only a little adversity to an acceptance of the worst kind of adversity.

The human mind attempts to reduce complex reality from infinite shades of gray to black and white simply because it gives us the illusion that we have a complete grasp of it However it is a false comfort one that changes not one iota the reality of a multitude of gray shades.

Now it may be that we can say "I will not settle for anything short of dead game in my breeding stock", and that is an admirable objective. But to deny the accomplishment of a 3-hour dog that quits, by saying he is no different than a two minute cur is illogical and perhaps immoral as it cheats him of his credit We might instead say. "I am so committed to breeding only dead game dogs that for my purposes, a three hour cur is no better than a two minute cur". I can accept that statement but to simply, unequivocally say they are the same is unacceptable.

Also, folks are fond of saying; “The only dead game dog is a dead dog". The reality is that the dog was a dead game dog before he fought but his gameness was not proven to human satisfaction. The act of fighting does not create gameness. Gameness is a response potential, which is demonstrated in the fight not created in the fight therefore there are in fact dead game dogs waking around as we speak, we just can't be sure which ones.

I'm sure everyone's read this article, its relevant to this discussion. Imo its up to the breeder to decide who makes the cut and who gets culled. The dog can work and perform but the owner defines him. Most people would hope the breeder has standards to determine the good ones from the trash. It's tough to measure the intangible. To each his own.

 

And i can tell you have all the gear with no idea

 

@back2basics, finally we have somebody that as a brain, gameness isnt black or white, theres vast differences in between a gamedog and a cur but these idiots cant see that. Richard stratton would be proud i must say so ha

 

the opening premise of the article is flawed.....

 

See I agree that your article was flawed from the beginning because matching dogs isn't and should never ever be the way you test your hounds gameness if your a smart man you'd come knowing what its made of.... you don't have to kill it to test gameness...you gotta get it to think its going to lose.... get it to think its fighting an impossible battle that it will all but certainly lose and die..its called a roll ...thats what I saw on the internet once anyway

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If the dog is thinking its going to lose and die in a roll then it will be about to die you dingbat. The dog doesnt think oh im in a roll everythings fine haha