tonka blue stafford

I got a new pup.its suppose to be tonka and blue stafford.I heard good about da tonka but I haven't heard much bout blue stafford.can somEone give me a little

bit more info about both of these bloodlines.?

 

Do you have a pedigree??
I think some will be able to help you
If you posted your pups parents names

 

Wwwwwooooooowwwwwww!!!!!!!!

 

youd have to research the irish stafford or ask people from the uk about that,i didn't know there was any of that stuff in america,pretty cool,its pretty much a battle cross,and if im wrong,by all means people,jump all over me.

 

Tonka was a Patrick bred dog down from The Tombstone Dog, Tombstone was a primarily but a loose OFRN bred dog...

Blue stafford most likely = American Staffordshire Terriers (which is a AKC breed) that are blue in color...

So what your pup is, is a Mutt, a cross or half breed, a mongral that most on here would cull with out thinking twice...

Its not going to be a sporting dog, it won't be a show dog, it won't be a bully, he won't have a place or crowd to 'fit in'...

He might have some aggression issue's with some dogs...

Why do you NOW want to know about what you got??? Why didn't you want to find out what you really wanted BEFORE getting a pup?? Oh well, it's your mess that you have to live with, I hope you fix it, and love it for all you can. And I hope it has a stable temperament and doesn't end up on the news, beating a dog, starving a dog, feeding a dog crap like gun powder WON'T make him any better of a dog at fighting, hunting or 'guarding'...

Best of luck, but I wish more ppl researched BEFORE they got a back yard bred pup... So be warned when ppl chew you out...

JM2C

 

but oh, how soon we forget Bobby.....

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But I have always said and have always been told and taught that ITS the person you get the dog from NOT what the dog is...

Shoot the dog could be 1/8 pat 1/8 Eng Bull Terrier and the rest muti bred Pit Dog, But if they told me he was a Bull Dog then that's all I need to know...

Papers are for pretty much one thing, peddling pups...

Now I'm not against selling dogs,,, Just Sell working dogs... Sell dogs from proven dogs... And reg. papers don't make that dog go faster or bite harder,, a proven family and good breeder(s) made that dog... It's all about WHO and not what...

do what you want and what ever makes you happy and eff what anyone else thinks....

I say the proof is in the pudding so let's go eat and find out.....

To each there own is what I say, you do your thing and I'll do mine, and we can be happy with that, I'ma try my best to win just know that and we'll see that out come in the end, it'll be what it is....
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^ the principal can be applied in more than just dealing w/ registration papers

 

It can fit in your home if what you were looking for was a house dog, a pet. Love it and take care of it

 

another case of do your own homework...this is becoming quite common on here lately:rolleyes:

 

This quote is absolutely 100% not true. One of the most driven dogs I had bar-none was "blue staff " double bred granddaughter of Watchdog's Blu Glory. She was one of the best sporting dogs I have ever owned. Hog hunting, weight pull, personal protection; you name it, she could do it, she could excel at it & she'd give it her all, even if it meant her death. Even though she was "blue staff bred" she was a fabulous sporting dog. You gotta judge the dog on it's own merit, not what it's pedigree says. Last I heard, dogs can't read.

Then of course there were others who had staff in them. Feds Online is acting up, or I'd post some peds. But some modern dogs that come to mind are Lonzo's CH. Buba, Crew's GR.CH. Sir Dog & Booney's GR.CH. Sport. Older dogs I can think of are Stinson's CH. Dolemite. And let's not get on all the staffs or staff crosses Carver sold as game dogs who turned out.

As for show, it could indeed be a show dog, providing both sides of the ped are conformation correct. And depending on the genetics stack up, it *might* be a bully (or at least look like one). But if it doesn't, all the better. lol. HOWEVER ... if you do happen to get a good one, most crosses like that rarely reproduce themselves. The results could be all over the chart since the gene pool is simply too wide apart.

Now, I myself am not a fan of mixing blue staff lines with game lines b/c most blue staff lines of TODAY are junk like Gotti or RE. But if it's the right stuff, you can still get a nice dog out of it. Like I said before, most folks would look at my WD bitch's ped & sneer, but due to her heart & drive I'm willing to bet she could have out worked a lot of game dogs or died trying. And THAT is what matters. Not that she was blue staff bred.

JMHO ...

 

The verbiage he used told us alll what TYPE of person he got the pup from... And I don't know a SINGLE respectable dogman that would let someone buy a dog that didn't have atleast a rudamentry understanding in ApBT's...

There's Green, and then there's those that haven't even come out of the seed....

I stand by BOTH statements... And if I you or anyone had a mutt, Bulldog as he might be he still would not have a place to 'fit in'other than out own yards and we would be 'looked down upon' you and I both know this...

 

If someone wants a Pet why not go to the shelter??? plenty of good pets can be found there, I have adopted 2 shelter dogs, one passed away from old age and health and I still have my Dobermann... Why support the degrading of The Pit Dog thru the efforts of BYB's???

A little education can go a long way... I'm not trying to bash the guy, I hate when ppl do that,, I just hate that what happened happens...

 

You´r right from that point of view.
I just don´t think the dog has to be useless for being a mutt.

 

The exception to the rule of thumb IS NOT the rule... I didn't say the dog won't be drivey he might make a decent hog dog, but he won't make a Sporting Dog or Pit Dog if you can catch my drift... In the established commities, Game Dog World, Bully World, and The REAL Show world, the dog won't have a place to'fit it'... That is fact...

Your examples are a classic of WHO bred the dog not what the dog is and I agree with a lot of your post...

 

Oh I agree and I hope it makes a good pet, I think I said that in my first post.

But wayyyyy to many people get a dog from a byb, and expect or want the next famous Top Dog....

 

That´s right, if you´r gonna spend your money, do it the right way or at least get some info before doing anything.

 

Patrick's Red Baby ROM and the great Adam's Kingfish had 1/8 of the same Staff blood in them. I know of some fantastic dogs down from the ADBA GrCh Boogieman line in FL which has a touch of Staff blood. Don't get me wrong, I would never breed a Staff into my program but in certain cases it didn't hurt. All of my dogs have a big concentration of Kingfish blood and I wouldn't change them for the world! Now having said all this.....the Staffs back then were much different than the 100lb mutts today!

 

your right they are different they call the 100lb mutts bullies I believe

 

Again, I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you. There are too many pit winner who have staff in them to say this.

As for it being the exception & not the rule this is true. But I will never rule out a good dog based on it's color or what it's pedigree says. Good is good & I will use good dogs. Heck, I would have based my entire breeding program around my WD bitch, but sadly she had to be PTS at the age of 6 due to cancer. I found out that cancer tends to run in the WD line, so I dropped her line.

But you are right about the established communities. They WILL look down on a "cross-bred" dog. But that is their loss, not the owner's. If those fanciers are so shallow that they disregard a dog b/c of color or pedigree, the owner is probably better off not associating with those types of people anyway.

And you are right, a lot of it has to do with WHO bred the dog - what line they used & why & what their goal was. If it was some BYB who bred a game dog to a RE dog just b/c that female happened to come in, no, you're not likely to get a good dog. But if you choose good stock that has been tested, your chances are much better. We don't know what the OPs cross was since he just said "blue staff." It could be WD blood or it could be AKC show stock that hasn't done doodley. But at least he didn't say bully blood! lol.

 

through out history dogs have proven your statement to be wrong. here for an example is a dog that was half amstaff(the bottom part is wrong) http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=2047

 

how you know the person is talking about a 100 lbs mutt?