The Bull-Dog

Who's arsed mate if they did well?.it's winning that counts!...and how well did they do?..no seriously now mate how well?.did they scratch on there chin?.on broke legs?......or a brief spell then picked up supposedly game?(and we all no how many of them theres been lol)

The staffs you mentiond are from moon's ago.
And Dilliger was beaten by a gyp bulldog that was smaller then him!...

You've been quoted what kc staffs?and all you can come up with is two dogs from moon's ago....
I'm not being funny whatsoever here man,but you asked me the other day have I got a problem with staffs?
When you seem to have a problem that a staff is inferior to the bulldog..a dog what's been bread solidly for combat for way over a hundred years..

And don't start saying it's bred!.I put that spelling mistake to annoy you..because lol.you seem to be arsed that my shitty phone is on a typo error....

You told me to do my research?.well mate I can honestly say I've done way more research then you...

Sorry Dusty Road but I can't help quote ya!
"I don't think many pure bred SBTs have beaten APBTs...it's a tiny amount of wins, compared to the number of SBTs that lost to ABPTs"

And I'm quoting the man because nobody mentinods the staffs what were beaten ,but will mention the staffs what done well?
Any one in the right mind can see that the APBT is a world class dog at that stuff..it's so good at what it dose its practically mindblowing .........

Now this bits just for the board.
Calling a staff a working dog is quite simply obserd.
What do these modern working staffs work?
Coz I can tell yas,,there's a very small amount who work the grey man of the woods.
and there's even a smaller amount,that could compete in the square.

 

Calm down son,do your research and you'll find out. By the way it isn't always the gamest dog that wins the match. What dogs do you feed soze? Just curious....also I'm well aware that it's a very,very small percentage of these Staffs that we're talking about. The american gamedog is without doubt the supreme game fighting dog on the planet. You're grammar and spelling is atrocious lol!

 

Off topic but I hope City stuff utd tonight!! Nothing against United but I feckin despise li****ool.

 

....my spelling come across terrible I give you that.

 

Thanks Southbanker, appreciate the reply mate.. Not sure what you meant by done well though? I know Wheatens and Beagles that "done well" against bulldogs, for about 10 minutes, then picked up to save their lives.. Should we call them gamedogs? Should we breed from them?

I remember a Staff that got rolled into CH.Scotsman's Max 'done well' for about 3 minutes, by 4 he was getting throttled and by 5 he'd have been dead if he wasn't picked up.. Is that doing well and should we have bred from him? While I'm on the subject of Scotsman's Max, a son of his that went by the name of Paddy quit against an EBT in 15mins.. Is that what you meant by "done well" and should we have bred off the EBT?

I owned a 1xw Staff/APBT sired by CH.Brock, won in over an hour but never bred him because he wasn't even close to the standard of my bulldogs.. Scotsman's Hagar demolished GR.CH.Bruno and the SDJ claimed Bruno scratched game on his courtesy (not true) Said the same about Scarecrows Duke after he lost to Bash, (not true either)

I concede that nearly 40 years ago Geordie Lad's CH.Gnasher defeated a Limey Kennels bulldog in a bona fide contest and I seen a game little Staff stop a bulldog prospect in 20mins, but does that mean they "done well" or was the opposition just piss poor?

One of the most knowledgeable (and honest) fanciers of Sporting Staffords I've met is a member of this board.. He told me most Sporting Staffs today got Bulldog in them anyway, whether the breeder is willing to declare it or not.

I got huge respect for anyone who takes their Staff hunting, whether into another Staff or Bulldog don't matter to me, so long as its against a 'recognised kennel' that uses dogs from 'PROVEN' stock!

This forum is called 'THE GAMEDOG'.. Just think what that means? It don't matter whether you own Staffords, Bulldogs or Patterdales.. It don't even matter how they're bred, whether sired by the dog with the golden dick, or out of the bitch with the silver snatch.. Just because your dog's grand daddy got rolled for 10 minutes when his owner was drunk, or had a spat with a spaniel in the local park don't mean a thing! People need to wake up and smell reality.. If the dog that's in your kennel right now is not 'PROVEN' through it's own merit and character, then it's not a gamedog!

 

Wise words there oldguy ... i think you hit the nail on the head mate when you said were they good or just against piss poor opposition .... alot of dogs got bigged up over the years and still are to this day !

 

Very well said oldguy.

 

I get excited to and make grammar mistakes.

 

We all make grammar mistakes.

 

You should review your own grammar. " You're" is the contraction for " you are". I believe you were looking for the word "your" Just saying!!!!!!

 

Awesome speech man.very well said.

 

I was being ironic lol

 

Great post oldguy, I still have lots to learn.

 

We all do bro! Every day a school day!

 

I think with the Stafford its loyalty to a English breed back in the day they were a game dog they was one and the same as the apbt if most cant compete with a apbt there still a fighting dog and the Stafford is a bloody good breed and so what if some put pit blood back in there staffords there putting the gamer version of thereself back in

 

I suppose if people want to breed Staffs for sentimental reasons, because they was once game or out of loyalty to an English breed, then it's up to them! I agree they're a good breed, but IMO the majority no more capable of working than them stupid Old Tyme Bulldogs that's getting peddled for a grand on every English council estate now.. It's a sad day when breeders need to inject APBT into their Staffordshire Bull Terriers to generate the basic gameness we all take for granted in the APBT, never mind mouth, talent, smarts, durability and other winning traits.. I think the sun went down on the Staffordshire Bull Terrier a long time ago.. Some still see them as a working breed.. Most breeders I know just peddle blue pups for £800 each and tell a new lie every litter.

 

Damnnnnnnn. Got em.....

 

Long time ago since they were the same breed...
Louis Colby in his 1997 book(and 1997 is moon's back)says there's still way more similarities in the APBT and the SBT,then differences..
And no doubt,if you say for example, stand a 35 lb SBT next to a 35 lb APBT they would both look very similar..no denying that!....but that's were it ends.

Yeah,start looking more into the subject..and it's clear to see that there's dogs for jobs.and if the similarities were so much the same,and both dogs were as good as each other.then they would quite simply be bred together and still considered the same breed...

I don't class them as the same breed.
they might of been one time.
Not now.

 

If know other breeds have gone into the Stafford and apbt they are still the same but being bred for different things there will be a difference in looks and abilities a Stafford is a toned down version of the apbt if other breeds were added then know there not genetically the same but share some common ancestors . We all know the apbt is the best at its job but if you have a good Stafford you cant take that away from it because it ain't as good as the apbt

 

Soz if nothing as been added to either breed they are the same but look different people say if you add the apbt to a Stafford line it's a cross I dont believe it is a cross to me its different version of the same dogs being put back together to me putting the apbt back to the Stafford is helping the English version maybe still not as good as the American version but still helping in someway yes I know you'll say it still ain't as good as the apbt but that's not my point my point is to inject some of hes glory self back into his English version for a better dog