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Swim keep???

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by 21 dre, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    we ain't talking about nutrition here. were talking about physical exercise two totally different subjects. if tying one to the bumper did the job & i felt it was beneficial to us then we do it as well. the whole point is to get the most out of them by any means necessary & if that's looked at crazy so be it as long as it gets you where you want to be.
     
  2. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    BTW since we on the subject, Bullyson was showed at 52 lbs into Clouse and was 4 lbs. over weight.
    When Bullyson lost to Benny Bob, when Ironman was there, what beat Bullyson was his Keep.
    He ran right out of gas. Blood wasn't right.
     
  3. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog


    Then you missed it. You didn't get it.
    There are things in conditioning a dog that is negative. Like swimming.
    But the most important part of a Keep is the feed.
    Ever heard the saying, "better to be a pound over then a pound under?"
    Everyone has a new and improved idea on how to work a dog.
    Most aren't worth the time of day.
    The old tried and true methods are still the best.

    You talk about the past being no good then praise some one from it.
    And what has he done lately?
     
  4. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    Walking is important.
    But if you can have a dog run a mill, you can have them walk it as well.
    A real conditioner knows how to teach a dog to walk or run a mill.
    There are draw backs to walking a dog.

    Look at what happened to the late Bill Bancroft!

    Dog can step on a piece glass or shape rock and cut the foot or pad.
    Pick up other contagious diseases.
    Draw attention to what you are doing.
    (meaning if the wrong people see you, all they have to do is wait and watch. Nothing draws attention more to some one when walking a dog and all it is, is cock & ribs!)
    I could go on and on but you get the idea.

    Remember this, the biggest novice mistake is, thinking you have to build up the muscles or mouth on a dog.
    If you do, you taking the wrong dog to the show!
    This is what you are suppose to be checking out in a dog!
    This is knowing what you are looking at in a dog......


     
  5. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    i seen a lot of pic's & enjoy all of them. but that has nothing to do with i know for fact & what i know works for us. it's like you say " the proof is in the performance" & i agree with that 100% . everything has the polor opposite & if you don't use common sense it don't matter anyway. i don't make it a habitat to kiss a nother mans wife. anything before my time with them don't have any affect on me. i have no time machine so i can only go by what my eyes tell me. what a fella does on his yard has little to no barring on me. not in less they have a steak in the steak in the say so.
     
  6. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    "And what has he done lately" it ain't about them it about us. but to answer the question is what was passed to me wasn't wasted one bit. i got enough understanding to improve what i was doing & like i said it paid off so he helped a fella get over the hump. so that what he did lately.
     
  7. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    Then you saw me with Bennett?
    You saw me with the owner of Eli Jr.'s sire.
    I have news for you, None of them swam dogs for a Keep.
    Condition enough dogs and you will learn.
    You will forget about swimming.
    Dogmen tried it back in the 1800's, there is a reason why none of them kept using it.

    What many of you fail to realize is this, a dog has natural conditioning but the most important part is conditioning a dog is, so it can deep breath, expand the lungs, not shallow breath.
    To have the wind in a long haul. You won't get this from swimming.
    This is why Olympic runners don't swim for conditioning for an event.


    ~~~~~~~~~~Melvin Tate?~~~~~~~~~~
    Have you met him? :) lmao
     
  8. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog


    BTW don't be fooled, working 1 or 2 dogs this way wasn't the main stay in his Keep, it was some thing he used because of the condition the dog's feet were in.

    Triple J made a very good point that most missed, toughen the feet pads.
    Without this, your dog won't last long.
    I don't know why I am wasting my time on a subject people think they are an expert at without a better proven track record then the people I have named.

    I'll give you a bit more then thinking the whole keep is about working the dog, whether it is swimming or not.
    Conditioning a dog is mostly in the feed.
    Without knowing this, you will just burn the dog up or they will run hot.
    I don't care what method you use.
    In fact, from me view, I shouldn't be telling you not to swim your dog. lol
     
  9. Boze

    Boze Top Dog

    first of all no shit bog got treadmills but he still swam virgil for his fourth and fifth and yes tornado was and gttfoh with ur bullshit abpout conditioning tornado ur a damn dog collector
     
  10. Boze

    Boze Top Dog

    exactly and uve been exposed for not knowing shit
     
  11. Boze

    Boze Top Dog

    ok il ask bill for a copy then il have him come on here and tell u how stupid u sound for thinking swimming was not used. and if u no bill u know he will say that anything that raises the heart rate can condition a dog, and tornado was also conditioned by playing fetch and please tell me that aint true because i know that for a fact
     
  12. Boze

    Boze Top Dog

    olympic runners dont swim because they are runners not swimmers if u have ever conditioned your self then you no the two dont correlate. i no marathon runners who cant go one round in a boxing ring because it is different
     
  13. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    Which Virgil? Bob love treadmills so much he made them. Ozzie used Walter's mill which was the one owned and which appeared in Armitage book and owned by him.

    As for Tornado, you don't even know who bred her.
    BTW who handled against Butch in #3?
    Because Ken had to pick him up the only time he showed him in #4 for 3k.
    Here is what your dumb ass don't know about many of Tornado's, hers was already done by here breeder.
    I ask and you didn't answer the question, did you ever see her go? Or any of them?
    Do you know who her breeders were and owners?
    Tornado was not conditioned by swimming.
    Hoppy didn't swim dogs.
    I watch her work many times. I also helped with her feed for Keep.

    Damn son, don't get so excited and start all this misspelling.
     
  14. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    I like when some one speaks from experince.
    ROTFLMMFAO @ U! (_?_)
     
  15. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    you obviously don't understand what im telling you. because your talking about people that have nothing to do with our conversation. i didn't fail shit because you ain't got a clue as to what sort of keep we run. that's your assumption and has little to do with us. if you fe el your wasting time well that's on your own account because we have good result with what been doing. once again if it's good enough to be used on SDJ grch (real) doy it's good enough for me. & im fine without "accomplishing" what guys in picture & books did. im just happy to be with the folks i see regularly.
     
  16. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    You never read Bill's Keep?
    Kind of late to the game aren't you? I have read it many years ago.
    I also have video's by him.
    If Bill told you he did, then he did so to get your heart rate up, not mine. lol
    Appears he succeeded.
    Fetch and swimming is 2 different things.

    You still aren't answering my questions.
    Is it because you don't know?
    Just want to pretend you do?
    On the spot now?

    Lets see now, when was the first time I talked to Bill?
    Early to middle 80's when he was dealing with Radar?
     
  17. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    Dogs are on 4 legs, they don't have finns. Dogs run and walk naturally.
    They are land animals.
    You work them on land. GET IT!

    BTW Boxers do, do roadwork. :)
     
  18. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    Yes they do, Bobby was brought up because he swam dogs.
    I didn't bring his name up!
    I didn't assume nothing, you are the one who claims swimming is good for conditioning Pit Dogs.
    AS for DOY how many were that good and I know who you are trying to claim.
    1 was killed easy later on, 1 ducked more dogmen then kids playing the game of duck, duck, goose.
    BTW I think the owner of the DOY also asked for that one as well as another in Tale of Two Dawgs.
    We both know he preferred treadmills.

    As long as you are happy is all that matters.
    But there is a reason why these guys are so well known and will go down in history forever when others will be forgotten as only a moment in time.
    Good today and gone tomorrow....
     
  19. NGK

    NGK Top Dog

    Back then dogmen were few, now theres thousands of people in the game, you really have to shine nowadays to get noticed. Its like anything, when the numbers are small its alot easier to make a name. Times change and I would be willing to bet that some of the top men in the game in this modern day and age are people none of us have ever heard of. Not everyone feels the need to climb on top of a mountain and scream at the top of their lungs "LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEEE"

    NGK
     
  20. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    if the dog wasn't no good you had every opportunity in the world to prove it. i will be here tomorrow i promise that.
     

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