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Swim keep???

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by 21 dre, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. sadieblues

    sadieblues Premium Member Premium Member


    lol That's what I said these contrast agents or dyes light everything up on a cat scan, x-ray, Mri, there are quite a few different dyes or contrast agents but they all do the same thing without the contrast agents you are not able to see things as clearly with them you can see blood vessels, blockages, organs, tissues more visibly than without if a doctor is looking for pulmonary embolism he's going to use the contrast agents to get a good look at everything in the chest and lungs.
     
  2. sadieblues

    sadieblues Premium Member Premium Member

    And yes we have covered everything in this thread from A-Z .. Blood doping, Steroid, Radiology, Cardiology, And using swimming in a keep lol
     
  3. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    Moral of story.........swimming is great! Bwahaha
     
  4. TripleJ

    TripleJ CH Dog

    Look Mike I work dogs for people (that dont have time know how or what ever , The point is every dog I get Allways is in shit shape. One to fat or too skinny Allways something. The first thing they ask me is what do you think he will come in at. I allways say Give me 3 weeks to let you know his wt. Some are lighter some a few more than they thought. And Mike We keep our dogs in Pre keep allways . I have at least 3 a day working all times every day for a while now. And one thing I learned is that " pre keep" is very importante. Im not talking about bullshit storys This is how it is. Im not going to go into all of it But if you just pull a dog from joe bob that has lived in the house in the ac all his life. he sends homebody to me to bring him in for a show in 6 weeks Now dont you think Joe bob would do alot better if he brought him to me at 12 weeks to get him ready the right way Nattie. Now as far as the jucie. ALL you can see in a dog when you use it it they dont stale up you can work them alot more closer in time. (Thats why nattie you need a lot more time and rest) Thats why people over work dogs so much they dont understand the recovery part. Thats all they are good for its kinda like giving you time in a bottle. you can take that dog and pull him in 8 weeks what I take 12 to do. BUT now there is a but You have to take in the half life that that ass will hit and stick to the receptor. Some have a blend that really dont work well untill a month. so you give muttallmighty 1/2 cc of sust 250 he will get a hit from the prop fast, then he will cruise on the other blends for about 2 weeks, but you give him one half on mon and the other thurs day. Right? so how long will it take before you really get the results you want,?? I know 6 weeks you are just tasting it buy 8 weeks he will be barking all night couse he is wound tight as dicks hat band. and is not getting the rest he needs. No I think yall better leave the jucie to the base ball players. is you use eq eod I can see how it will help some in wt . but its just not worth it. You talk about dog men being lazy LOL A man that take time and works his dogs with a nattie keep is not lazy. and Mike I know up north yall have to get everything on contract, but down here its every day, and you better be pretty close to where you want to be. You never know when some one wants to hunt, see we hunt when the wind blows and they still sneek up on you just like they do up there.and yes when you have a prospect you SHOULD spend every day with them. But just couse you should dont meen they do. and with all these tricks yall are putting up for these new guys to TRY Who know what is going to happen. No yall just give your dogs good feed Good rest and work them how you can and what the dog will do and likes , if he likes the bike bike him, if he loves the mill , mill him if he likes to walk walk him. You can bring on in any way you can work him, the key is to stick it out dont skimp. Yall want the best keep in the world there it is its all you and time.
     
  5. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog


    Grow Ben. every dog dogman gives supplements to their dog.
    Blood doping isn't cheating, no more the Dex or B-15. Get a grip and learn.
     
  6. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    What are you talking about? Ben and I have always gotten along.
    This is just a disagreement amoung friends.
    I'm just trying to help him, if he will except or not is up to him.
    peon, well his named says it all.
    Laced he just trying to bust balls for a laugh.
    He knows he doesn't know much, he is ok. lol

    and any one else, well they can kiss my ass if they don't like what I write!
     
  7. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    This is true, your body produces cortisone steroids naturally. When they don't it is called Addison Disease in humans. My late sister had it and so did our President Jack Kennedy. It is brought on from stress.

    In humans it is considered cheating if it isn't produced naturally. This is why Ben Johnson and many others ever expelled from the Olympics.
    And steroids, other then cortisone steroids, aren't for recovery, they are for enhancement.
     
  8. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    :lol: not in the coldest day in hell! ;->
     
  9. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Lol, tell that to any sanctioned sport in this country. I agree with Ben. I'd prefer to see raw talent opposed to enhanced. Supplements and Anabolics are 2 different things. I've always felt this way as long as I've been into the dogs. Know plenty who use them and plenty who dont. I've always looked at it like this, from a gamblers point of view I'd want to give my charge every edge I could to ensure a win but from a breeding stand point, I'd perfer to see a dog win by a good keep naturally. Seen a lot of juiced up hounds make rank but never be able to reproduce due to the damage caused by the steroid use. To each his own is the motto I prefer.
     
  10. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Mike, I though I seen pictures of tornado using a crude swim tank for one of her keeps? Could be mistaken.
     
  11. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    By the time you are done checking a dog out, you should know its weight. If a person can't tell what a dog weight is then they have no business taking dogs out. I have been a paid conditioner many times.
    i.e. Ch. Gambler best weight really was 44 lbs. but he finished everything at 46 and brought in by the Yankee Boys at 45 1/2.
    This where the saying, "some times it is better a pound over."

    Who said anything about contract? I meant the forfeit.
    Only a fool goes ahead with out it.
    And only a fool hurries a Keep.
    So there is no such thing is a PRE-KEEP!
    Not if you are a serious dogman.
    A good prospect or tested dog is never allowed to be a couch potato.
    If a dog is shit shape then the dog most likely has never truly been checked.
    If it is a house dog, they aren't serious with dogs. You don't take the kids pet out...

    BTW you can rest the dog all day and still won't recover when it has reach its maximum stress in a Keep.
    You did state 1 method to help bring a dog on point but I think most missed it.
    There are also over the counter supplements which also will?
    How many knew or ever dealt with Bob Fritz?
    If you haven't, you are not even on Dogman 101 page.
    I have conditioned dogs on the finest treadmills ever build. Owned many of them and I can tell a good one in seconds of looking at it.
    As a dogman should be able to tell a Pit Dog in 5 or 10 minutes.
    BTW I never have seen a dog that I could get to work a mill!
    Believe it or not but it is true. If you know how to train dogs, you will know how to train a dog to work a mill.

    BTW I agree with you on juice, if you need it, you are taking the wrong dog to the hunt.
    As for conformation dog shows, most of those dogs aren't truly condition for a physical event.
    I can just look at dog tell the difference between a dog whos feed has been cut and a dog that has been worked.
    All in the top line.......:)
     
  12. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    whats the difference between a dog with steroids in its system and a dog without?
     
  13. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    Very. Hoppy never used a swim tank. Everyone has to remember she wasn't soley showed by Ken.
    Ken wasn't the conditioner, Hoppy was nor did Ken always know what he was looking at.
    That is why he losted with Butch.
    I'm sure Ken tried everything, just like Doc Whitley of Coal Town Combine when he drown those dogs off Cotton's Bullitt in a pool.
     
  14. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    Equipoise or D Ball will make a dog run hot.
    Also makes them retain water.
     
  15. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    Man am I losing everyone?
    Is it to advance?
    Anabolics and cortisone steroids are like apples and oranges.
    Cortisones are produced naturally in the body, Anabolics are not!
    Blood dopping is all natural method of shaping a dog.
     
  16. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    Thats the only difference? So a dog on those specific steroids will run hot but a dog without wont?

    What about a dog on anavar or winny?

    I've used these in the past and they didnt cause the animal to run hot. they also didnt turn the animal into some super dog that performed any better just because of some chemicals in its system. what it did do was allow them to recover faster and more efficiently in keep which allowed for more work to bring it into better shape. Thats the only reason for using steroids.
     
  17. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog

    Those others were consider candy. Many things can make a dog run hot.
    These will too.
    Give them the day of the show or hours before hand, they will. Even Dex will.
    Water can make a dog run hot if it retains to much, feed. etc.
     
  18. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    I agree...unfortunately none of that answers the question, whats the difference between a dog on juice and a dog without.

    I agree, if you need it you are most likely using the wrong dog or not giving the keep enough time. But simply using the drug isn't cheating (laughable in a sport without a governing body. its as much cheating as supplements are) and it says nothing about the dog its being used on, just a tool in the conditioners keep. A dog not using steroids out performing one that is doesn't say anything about the drug only that the dog and/or its keep was better. I'd love to know where this slanted "natural vs juiced" mentality came from.
     
  19. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

     
  20. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    IM is my homeboy and a hell of a dogman with history. now run tell dat lol
     

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