starting ur own bloodline

Imo the "bloodline" starts once the breeder is producing dogs that fits his standard and produce good % of them, this should take some generations if the breeder is including different bloodlines in his program and even if hes just basing his yard on studs on the same family the results will be different since every breeder has his own way to select&breed.

For example, i own TG dogs but if i started breeding them by my standards they would be not TG dogs anymore in few generations even if i try to copy the same breeding program than TG.

If i add other dogs from another family i would be adding something different that would make them different. By selecting the dogs that by my standard are the most complet, breed them and getting offspring with the same qualitys.. i would have stablished my own bloodline. But this takes more than 2-3 generations.

Sometimes a certain breeding clicks and you get good dogs, with parents that are breed by other people, but the goal as a breeder is to produce them in good % and improve them every generation.

I like to read peds on my free time and breeders like Mims and Boyles are a good example on getting dogs off different bloods and mixing them up togheter in something consistent, but it took many generations and inside the same family there are strains with their differences!

 

That's how others get to know ones blood better than the person breeding it.

 

What if one continues to breed for generations, and never comes up with anything but crap? Still his blood isn't it? Cant say it's not theirs for the simple fact they aren't happy with what they are producing, and say it's something else...still theirs shitty results or not.

 

I think we are missing the point of what she is saying. You start your bloodline with your first breeding. It may last only one generation or hundreds. That depends on your comitment to your work in the breed. A bloodline is not achieved by breeding a certain number or generations or the time one has dedicated to breeding dogs.

A bloodline as was clearly stated can be considered so when ALL of the dogs in it are reproducing faithfully to their traits as they were selected by YOU.
You can achieve this through the breeding methods she described, linebreeding, inbreeding and outcrossing to your liking. But the end result MUST be dogs that breed true for their traits. So there is where each breeders understanding of the breed and what it takes to win comes in.

There are many different types of dogs within the bloodlines. These are vastly different from eachother in many ways, even within the same bloodline. They have different traits and qualities according to the type of selection that was done on them. So the bottom line in choosing dogs within a bloodline comes down to the breeder more than the bloodline since it is his standard that you will be getting.

 

That happens alot LOL, if the breeder doesnt have high standards the consistent % will be low to average dogs. Which still would be a Bloodline but known for poor dogs. Here in Spain we have a breeder that is the perfect example of this imo, his name starts with Villa and ends with Liberty.

What i didnt add yesterday to my post is, you do start your bloodline with the first breeding but you need to keep doing generations to establish it, so i agree with Gringo.

 

i love it when people say im starting my own bloodline haha

i thought that was a no no on game dog forums lol

 

When I started down the long road, I was fortunate enough to have been accepted into a fine yard by an elder dogman, with whom I learned and mentored with up until about 8 years ago.
He taught as much as he could of his lifelong work, knowledge and skill and I was there to listen..
35 or more years seemed to just fly by, and one day...he just was'nt there anymore.
I said I would keep up the blood that he maintained and try not to let it disappear

So I chose to maintain the blood, that was already established, not trying to make something different or trying to make it better...
I bred it, to maintain it..yes it's my bloodstock that i work with..but the family bloodlines are'nt..they came down the pipe like that .
It will always be from the breeders who got it right, kept it right and passed it down carefully...with great respect

When you change an established family...you will now have your own bloodline

Did that make any sense? roflmao..rambling.........goin ta bed now...

 

i wouldn't take credit for breeding 2 dogs someone else bred but once you make ur own breeding and then start select breeding the offspring you bred i would say that is the start of your line.

 

hard one this but ad say it would be your bloodline once u outcrossd some one elses bloodline and do the breeding from thare.

so basiclay the outcross is your breeding but the breedings you do from thare are your bloodline

 

I have nothing to add really, but i found this

Heredity (bloodline) is the passing of traits to offspring (from its parent or ancestors). This is the process by which an offspring cell or organism acquires or becomes predisposed to the characteristics of its parent cell or organism.

 

I'm not as well versed in dogs as most of you, but there are certain laws of heredity that apply to all reproducible organisms. So one doesn't necessarily need to be well versed in only dogs to understand the most basic of breeding principles.

With that said.....A bloodline, strain of plant, virus, or anything else for that matter is yours if you planned and executed the reproducing of it by parental selection and breeding. HOWEVER, just because it has "your name on it" doesn't mean it's an ESTABLISHED bloodline. Just that the bloodline has been started/changed by you. So basically, we're all discussing two different points. If you choose the parents, it's your "line". But if you don't have a VERY detailed breeding strategy and continue to work toward that goal, then your "line" stopped with the very first breeding. The very definition of a line is a connected series of dots. These dots would represent one's parental selection in each breeding. So......if your dots don't connect because you keep changing your goals, your scatter-breeding and not establishing a "line" otherwise known as a BLOODline.

There was a great plant breeder by the name of Luther Burbank many many years ago who is credited with improving THOUSANDS of plant, tree, and shrub species. But to my knowledge, he never claimed any to be "Burbank strains". But he most certainly improved them through a lifetime of breeding and selection.

What's the point? Claim the bloodline is yours right out of the gate if you want to, it's YOUR decision. But me, I wouldn't claim a damn thing until I was proud of it enough, and the WORK that I'd done with it was enough, in my mind, to say that it was indeed mine.

 

Good post!

 

Good read

After a while (10 yrs or so) I began calling my dogs "my line", always making sure to mention they are a tribute to the breeders and the dogs before me.

I have narrowed the gene pool/help create a line of dogs through
1)an original line breeding
2)an out cross after 6 yrs
3)2 yrs later I added an inbred dog with the same lines as #2 (the out cross).
4)Still refining and line breeding



Here is the best breeders computer program I have seen yet.

It gives you super looking pie chart pedigrees of ancestors. The program also does inbreeding coefficients, etc.

BreedMate Pedigree Software

 

Cool looking software! The price is great too considering it isn't encrypted for a limited number of uses.

 

don mayfield send me a bitch ..after that he send a male and said breed him to the old ........bitches ....after that he send other male and said the same ....and after the said he send more and said more ......
one blood line ..is normal ..have different family's

 

Khanfueshus say bloodlines are usually started by one good dog and its up to that person to perpetuate and establish the line down from that one dog what path you take is on you the breeder.

 

i just cant c putting 2 dogs together that sumbody else bred n calling that ur own bloodline....i still think ur name shuld b in at LEAST HALF the ped to call it ur own blood line.

 

stay away from any1 saying or trying 2 start their own line!!! u have been warned

 

this thread isnt bout starting a bloodline...its bout how many dogs that u bred shuld appear in the ped in order fr u to consider that bloodline as ur own?

 

So when looking at a ped, are you looking at the dogs name or the breeders name? Just because a breeders name is in front of a dog, doesn't mean thats the bloodline that breeder has established or runs at all. The dogs make the bloodline not the breeders name.