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staffies and pitbull's history

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by DiMaSaLaNg, Jun 28, 2006.

  1. DiMaSaLaNg

    DiMaSaLaNg Big Dog

    they have the same history, both were bred to fight, a cross of a terrier and the old bulldog etc. so what makes them different right now? whats happened along their history that made them as they are now?
  2. SAM_I_AM

    SAM_I_AM Big Dog

    they were once the same dog but the amstaff went the way of show dog and the pit bull stayed in the pit. basically 40 years of breeding created the two diffrent dogs that you see today. the staffies were bred for the show ring, while the pit bull was bred for gameness. (hope this helps you a little)
  3. maryellen1

    maryellen1 Guest

    the akc also willnot recognize a apbt, but will a am staff.. the akc feels that the amstaff is not a fighting dog.. um hello..... the akc is not right about alot of things.... if you can get your apbt registered as an amstaff you can show it in the akc... go figure... however, i know someone that has a DA amstaff...
  4. I have a question that kind of apply's to this.. I noticed at the shelter i got my pups from that all the bullie dogs were labled as either am staffs or amstaff mixes.. but when i was asking the receptionist about my girl she said oh the pit bull pup.. do they do that because they think the name change will get them adopted quicker??
  5. 14rock

    14rock GRCH Dog

    Sometimes "pound_puppies" or possibly she just meant "pit bull" which is a generic term covering many diffrent breeds, included in which is the Amstaff.

    What makes an Amstaff and APBT diffrent? The defining quality of a dog is what they were bred for. These two breeds have been bred for diffrent goals for close to 100 years now......
  6. DiMaSaLaNg

    DiMaSaLaNg Big Dog

    and what about staffordshire terriers?
  7. NCPatchwork

    NCPatchwork CH Dog

    I hate to say it, in reply to Pound Puppies..but i've seen them do this aroundhere..they seem to call him AmStaffs or Staffys instead of a pit.
  8. Bullyboi

    Bullyboi CH Dog

    The apbt was developed in america and the staffy bull developed in england.
  9. Atwater27

    Atwater27 Big Dog

    Now what if you had those APBTs that are over there in The Philippines. After a couple or more generations since they've been there for a while, would you still call them APBTs or would you call them a different breed?
  10. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 CH Dog

    Would depend on what the folks in the Phillipines were breeding them for, and how close they remained to the true APBT, I'd imagine.
  11. Atwater27

    Atwater27 Big Dog

    I think Dimas can speak on this better than me since I havent been back there in over 10 years, but from what I've heard they keep them true to form in the Philippines.

    Now why would the working SBT's of Europe that are still being kept true to form, not the fat AKC ones, be any different than our APBT's over here when they're essentially the same dog? I mean, the APBTs in the Philippines are still APBTs, right?

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  12. DiMaSaLaNg

    DiMaSaLaNg Big Dog

    yes there are many dogmen in here who are very much dedicated to the breed's sole porpose. while pit fighting is illegal, it is done carefull under the radar with the participation of some politicians and prominent figures. lol.
  13. maximusab

    maximusab Big Dog

    Ok, you do understand that the American Staffordshire Terrier and the Stafforshire Bull Terrier are two totally different breeds, right? When you say staffie I think of the SBT not the AmStaff. Most of you probally know this, I Just can't tell from this post. The APBT is again a seperate breed from the two mentioned above.

  14. paddydog

    paddydog Pup

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  15. dougs85

    dougs85 Pup

    i second this the pit and am staff come from the staffys ( pit dogs) and the blue paul terrier that the english, scotland and irish settlers brought to the u.s and uz bred them to be bigger giving u the apbt and amstaff i have read this all over the place
  16. fonzie

    fonzie Top Dog

    The way they look different is the size, head and face if you look closey then you can tell the difference
  17. lassie

    lassie Pup

    so hypothetically if ppl begun breeding the sbt for gameness and working ability again instead of show in 20-40 yrs u would have wat is known as the abpt?
  18. dougs85

    dougs85 Pup

    maybe all depending on what other breeds were used for the gamness as i believe the american bulldog was used in the breeding of the apbt i could be wrong though.
  19. joe rock

    joe rock Pup

    Dougs85, I think your way off on that 1 , what makes you think that an American Bulldog was used to make a Apbt or improve it ? more like the other way around on certain strain's of ABs to improve there gameness !
  20. 7mmrowland

    7mmrowland Big Dog

    yup your wrong, no maybe about it...haha

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