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Should APBT's be used in protection/guard training!

Discussion in 'Sports & Activities' started by Flipside, Jun 18, 2005.

  1. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    You may have to cross him to get some speed but it is about how much time you are willing to spend. LOL


    It is not like I am going out and converting all the bulldogs and all the bulldog people. It takes certain abilities, certain drives, athleticism, a certain soundness/nerve.


    Pit dogs happen to have all the pre-requisites to perform sport work. A bunch of people have recognized said traits and utilized them....and utilized them well.


    Same deal with detection dogs. The hard core rabbit hunters from days gone by never saw their prodigy combing an airport nailing dope packages.


    I bet the guy that took that Lab and did not think about catching deer but instead used his skill set to detect ordinance. Many a life has been saved by a dog bred to retrieve ducks...run rabbits....herd sheep.....catch pigs.....just fill in the blank.


    S
     
  2. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

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    That's the truth.Just takes someone with time and patience.
     
  3. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog

    Well I remember reading an article some years back that was putting I think 1/4 bull dog into Walker Hounds I believe. He had won hunting pack of the year several time by the time I read the article! He was running Mountain Lions and based in Colorado! Might try and Google it and see if it's still working!
     
  4. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    The first time I saw dogs on wild boar they were bulldog mixes. One dog was mostly Plott but with a 1/4 pit bull. Another dog was a Walker with a 1/4 as well. These dogs were strike dogs but would catch too.


    Like I said I don't see a mass exodus to that side of the working world and I am not saying, "if the shoe fits". But I am saying if a tool has all the prerequisites and attributes required to complete a task there is nothing working with using said tool.




    And most of all I am impressed with any dog that does what he was bred to do and impressed as well with dogs that do what they were trained to do.


    I have seen youtube videos of pitbull running flyball successfully. Not exactly bulldog intentions but power and speed are built in.


    S
     
  5. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    Almost all my dogs at one point and time have raised hell when an unknown has appeared ,even the pups...however when they notice I take them in and there's no harm everything is ok. In other words the hold it down without me ever teaching or telling...sorta like a 12 gauge when they bark so people know..the last thing I would want is for my dogs to bite any person at any time unless the family was truly being invaded while in the house....and I doubt I would have to be like sic'em...they're just loyal...
     
  6. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog

    Watching A well trained working dog is A thing of beauty! Whether it's runnin coons, flushing deer, or working live stock! I was raised around hunting dogs....not every body can make the connect takes A good eye, patients and a lot of work!
     
  7. Robertosilva

    Robertosilva CH Dog

  8. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog

    I just don't think I would make A Bulldog for an attack dog! If that's what I was looking for I can think of several that are better bred for that genetically. (just my preference)
     
  9. Robertosilva

    Robertosilva CH Dog

    Guardian breeds bred for centuries for exactly that guarding instinct. Train a Bulldog to attack and it will fight a man like it would a dog not simply hold and wait for handler.

    Also will not pass on guarding traits to it's offspring as it's not in their nature unless you specifically train and test a load of dogs for that instinct.

    End up with a bunch of badly bred manbiters that will appear on the news the second anything bad happens.
     
  10. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    99% of all dogs will let you down in this situation. If it were real. The 'loyal' dog will bail, or simply not know what to do.


    No offense to anyone or their dogs. Just what has been proven time and time again.


    S






     
  11. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    Naw slim if your unannounced at the house they will try you...
     
  12. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog

    I saw A couple Dobermans that were highly trained, owned by Bob & Chris Mc. they would walk them the perimeter of there house and yard at dusk, and the two would keep cruising all night long until they took them off point in the morning!
     
  13. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog


    My two healers will back A person up plus they make so much racket they all chime in! LOL
     
  14. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    Two things that are the result of a dog display is one, and most importantly it is about 99% of all the home security a person will ever need. The two heelers mentioned above will deter just about any random burglary. If a guy is scoping out a target the barking dog is the best deterrent going. A big dog even better and for whatever reason a black dog even more. Learned that in a working dog seminar I went to based on interviews from crooks.


    Secondly, it gives the owner the warm fuzzies.


    99% of all dogs will choose flight over fight. It is a basic instinct for survival. Very few dogs will fight to defend something other than themselves. To get tot hat point it is prey training as a base, coupled with defensive work to create a fight drive in a dog.


    99% of all dogs will bail. Of the 1% that would stay will trade a rib-eye steak for all the shit in your house. Another crook fact from the seminar.


    Of the 1% that would stay it will be defending the owner, a member of its pack, not your house or television.


    The patrolling Dobermans I can attest to. I put up carports/steel buildings for a stretch in the 90's. We show up, a iron gate opens and the intercom says come on in, pull around back. I get out of the truck and directing the backing of the trailer. I hear OH"SHIT. I look back and what looked like Zeus and Appollo from magnum PI was digging across the front lawn. Teeth showing with ill-intent in their heart. The seminar said stand still. The instructor said stand your ground. My brain said stand your ground. My ass said, Get the F*&^ out of here. I ran to the truck and the owner stopped them via the intercom. When I cleaned my pants I was quite impressed.


    With that said.....
     
  15. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog

    My sons BIG bulldog (a pet) will scare the hell out of you if you come up to the house! But if your carrying out the TV or stereo she will hold the door for you!! LOL
     
  16. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Yup, great points, Slim and TROT. I agree as well. 99% may bark or act tough but they're running when it gets real.
     
  17. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    This is the overwhelming majority of bulldogs. Biting a man has been a culling factor for many years. In turn, the breed in whole simply loves people. I have had a lot of bulldogs over the years and I have never owned one who I thought would bite a stranger. I had one that bit/tried to bite me but that had nothing to do with protection or security.


    All of the dogs I have had will load up and leave with anyone willing to pet them on the head. Rub one of mine and he is your friend for life. Their inner loyalty can be used against them. As shitty as it turns out, that love for people and human contact is the very reason they are so easily stolen. Just like performance traits being bred in, then man issues have been bred out.


    In turn that makes them perfect candidates for man work. Once the relationship is established between you, the dog and the tennis/kong ball his natural physical abilities are easily directed. As much as it is a taboo for pitbulls and man work to some, breeders have steadily created one of the better canine working machines, maybe by default, but a perfect working machine the same.


    S




     
  18. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    On second thought Idk what they hell they might do....I've never been in that sort of situation as of now. These post gave me something to think about, I still don't want them for protection. Actually whenever they bark at people I stop it, they mainly do this when a person has come around they didn't expect to pop up...then when I greet them they're ok. ...man they act like dogs at home, take them away from home and they friendly as hell..
     
  19. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    If I'm in the house both little miss geach and M.I.A would eat someone's ass if they ran up in my house. If I'm not there, M.I.A. wouldn't do anything but I'm not too certain what little miss geach would do. Probably nothing but I wouldn't want to be the one taking that chance to find out. She's rather aggressive in the house with strangers. Even after I've let you in.
     
  20. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I've got a mut that has sent one to the hospital for stitches.He is Heinz 57 on top and Australian Shepard on bottom,doesn't look like anything special.He will bite and give chase.One of the most athletic dogs I've ever owned,jump a 6 ft chain link fence ,no running start.He just don't like many people.He did let up on the guy after he was a good ways from my yard.
     

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