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Should APBT's be used in protection/guard training!

Discussion in 'Sports & Activities' started by Flipside, Jun 18, 2005.

  1. Flipside

    Flipside CH Dog

    We all know the gamedog will excell at any tasks its trained to do but due to its nature not to be man-aggressive, do you think they should be used and trained in shutzhund type work! Can developing and training apbt for protection be wrong for our breed? There stable temperment as we know it is always second-guessed by the humaniacs when an attack happens! It is fact and true that they have been bred to be aggresive to other animals and canines in there historical development in the fighting pit.......and most man-biters were culled on the spot!

    Appreciate everyone's views!

    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 18, 2005


  3. D.R KING


    I dont even like this sport. Let alone let a pitbull try it
  4. Crash97

    Crash97 Top Dog

    No, because while they excel at it due to their high intelligence and athletic ability the public already has a false preconcieved notion of these dogs being aggressive to people. The general public is gullible and use very little discretion when processing information, therefor seeing a well trained APBT doing the bitework portion of Schutzhund would be brought down to its most base level "pitbull attacking a person". Use such as this would only further this notion. IMO there are other breeds better suited to Schutzhund.
  5. GameKid16

    GameKid16 Big Dog

    I say no,,, if your pitbull or any other kind of dog was trained for shutzhund.. he got out and somebody was walkin down the street with one of those big bubble coat lookin parka jackets. you think the dog might be mistakin and hit the wrong sleeve
  6. 14rock

    14rock GRCH Dog

    No.....simple as that. For the reason that has already been mentioned-they were culled for hundreds of years for being human-aggressive and now you ask them to hit a sleeve (essentially the persons arm), logic will tell ya theres something wrong there. Get a Presa-german sheppard, rottweiler, etc.
  7. searkkennels

    searkkennels Big Dog

    no they already have a bad rap in the general public's eyes. why make it worse
  8. Wayne

    Wayne Big Dog

    NO!! Like already stated these dogs have been culled out for so many years because of such acts.Even though they do excel at any sport,there would be too many people breeding for those man aggresive trates.
  9. Camo

    Camo Pup

    absolutely not!!! a mean bulldog needs to be culled.
  10. rocksteady

    rocksteady I'll drink to that..

    Gamekid..that is not the case with a properly trained schutzhund dog. Schutzhund is not jsut a "guard -attack" dog..

    while Im against guard /attack/ protection with the APBt..schutzhund is a different story.
    And it would be nice to see more apbts used as detection dogs
  11. Camo

    Camo Pup

    An APBT should NEVER be used or taught how to bite a human. This is the old way, and the old way worked. The new modern way to breed and raise bulldogs have done nothing but brought a reproach against the breed. Our forerunners never had the problem we now have with the negative publicity against our breed. We have a great responsibility as bulldog owners to turn this around, and the way to start is by listening to the voices from the past, and some of their wisdom was to never use a dog that showed human aggression.
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  12. B

    B CH Dog

    Simple answer... No.

  13. LCGSDmama

    LCGSDmama Pup

    I have a dog in Schuzhund, and where I live, it snows, so people do wear those parkas that you're talking about, and I've never had a problem. When my dog is on the field, thats another story because he's in his "high drive".. but when we're walking down the street... he's not gonna give that guy a second look.

    just thought I would share..
  14. 14rock

    14rock GRCH Dog

    Not trying to start anything.....just curious in why you picked the apbt to use for schutzland out of all breeds better suited? The deal with the big jackets is pretty silly......you probably relate to that the same way we apbt owners do when ''dog experts'' say ridiculous things like to not let children play on swings because it will trigger a pitbull to go crazy and bite them. Just people ''assuming'' things that really have no factual basis.
  15. TopDog

    TopDog Pup

    i dont think it could be good even though they have the build and athletic ability for it.
  16. PorsA

    PorsA Big Dog

    If you ask me NO, because every breed has it's own purpose. So I should take a Rotweiler, Am. Bull or GSD for that.
  17. 14rock

    14rock GRCH Dog

    Unless they were so valuable that it would be stupid to get rid of them if you could work around their fault.
  18. tommy3

    tommy3 CH Dog

    This rarely happened, though. If it did, our dogs wouldn't be as good with people as they are. Most people did cull these dogs for aggression.

    I personally feel that anyone that uses these dogs for bite-work/schutzund is contributing to the downfall of our breed and I will do my part to make sure that people do not use these dogs for this "sport". The people that feel it is OK to use these dogs for this are often the IDIOTS that have no idea what they are doing. If so, they would use a dog that is better for that purpose. Everyone knows this example: www.showstopperkennelsga.com

    Anyone that feels that this is Ok and can be encouraged should not own any animal. Period.
  19. Ruffryde

    Ruffryde Pup

    Human aggression has no place in a proper pit bull temperment. A bulldog can excel at schutzhund or ring sport without being human aggressive. To a properly trained bulldog bitework is like a rowdy game of tug - they can interact safely, even being petted by the helper (the person wearing the sleeve/suit) because they do not feel threatened by him/her. A truly correct pit bull will have the confidence to approach the work in this manor (utilizing prey-drive, not defense). As far as the public perception; well the spring pole and treadmill are often misunderstood too - but many people still use them. Schutzhund and Ringsport are a great outlet for our dogs drive and desire to please. The kennel posted in the other link is NOT doing schutzhund - thats backyard wanna-be personal protection. Notice none of their dogs have any schutzhund/ring titles. I do NOT promote using pit bulls for personal protection or training them in a manner as to promote human aggression.
  20. El Mexicano

    El Mexicano CH Dog

    heeeeeellllllllllllllllll no APBT's should be used for any type of guard/attack training.

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