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Shar-Pei as sport dog

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by ReFainer, Jan 25, 2020.

  1. Nice brainstorming AE.
    i like what you say.... .though to claim this is a fighting breed is not true.i seriously doubt they are still fought in China..i mean why?when theres pit bulls in that country?.though it may well be possible,as ive seen vids of the Tabet Mastiffs at war with pitbulls so it may well be possible?..Chow type dogs as much as they hurded and hunted,had more of a use as a belly filler..being fated up with rice for food untill about 1910.when the meat became more of a delicsy rather then a need...i no hundreds of Chinese people.not one of them claimed the Sharpi as a fighting dog.but all claimed it to be a chow crossed with some pitbull or bullmastiff...and was more of a gard dog of the house rather then a fighting breed.

    I agree what you say about Marcho Pollo.
    he discribes the hunting or fighting breeds as being from Europe,and some were the size of small donkeys,that were imployed to hunt the huge feice oxen....also he never wrote his book.his translaters did.and his translaters new nothing about dogs.
    His translaters also mixed up the areas he visted and hunted..

    The old pic of the Sharpi you posted looks like they have some pitbull influence...

    Nice history.
     
  2. Nice brainstorming AE.
    i like what you say.... .though to claim this is a fighting breed is not true.i seriously doubt they are still fought in China..i mean why?when theres pit bulls in that country?.though it may well be possible,as ive seen vids of the Tabet Mastiffs at war with pitbulls so it may well be possible?..Chow type dogs as much as they hurded and hunted,had more of a use as a belly filler..being fated up with rice for food untill about 1910.when the meat became more of a delicsy rather then a need...i no hundreds of Chinese people.not one of them claimed the Sharpi as a fighting dog.but all claimed it to be a chow crossed with some pitbull or bullmastiff...and was more of a gard dog of the house rather then a fighting breed.

    I agree what you say about Marcho Pollo.
    he discribes the hunting or fighting breeds as being from Europe,and some were the size of small donkeys,that were imployed to hunt the huge feice oxen....also he never wrote his book.his translaters did.and his translaters new nothing about dogs.
    His translaters also mixed up the areas he visted and hunted..

    The old pic of the Sharpi you posted looks like they have some pitbull influence...

    Nice history.
     
  3. Sorry i never meant to send that twice...my shitty phone is playing up lol.
     
  4. Soze the killa, the shar pei was bred predominantly for combat and underground competitive dog fighting where they fought to the death, it’s historical fact. You won’t hear or see too much about it because it was / is low key and underground.

    Nothing can compare to the pitbull, but shar pei was considered a fighting thoroughbred dog for a very long time.

    There was no pitbull influence on the shar pei.

    Tibetan mastiff is a big goofy cur mastiff not game
     
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  5. Lrs

    Lrs Big Dog

    Lots of people have said the bone mouth shar pai is just a pit cross but think most Chinese peasant dogs were primarily for the plate?
     
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  6. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. Top Dog

    The Chow-Chow was plied with drugs and alcohol to let him fight, as they weren't that keen to fight,the English sailors entered Chinese grounds with their bull - terriers and defeated the Chows and then the Chows were crossed to create the Shar-Pei which means sand dog as it refers to their color. Old Shar-Pei is a far cry away from the orginial.
     
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  7. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. Top Dog

    I mean the modern/nowadays shar-pei is a far cry away from the orginial old version.
     
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  8. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. Top Dog

  9. Im sure The genetic pool has been altered. The communists outlawed and slaughtered many of the dogs. I don’t know much about it I’m sure it can be looked into. I believe there are still shar pei pit dog fighters and breeders in China going on today.

    I still love the breed today, my sister had several. Man they hated other dogs.

    the Pei is an ancient breed going back to like 200 BC. Historically it was a star in the dog fighting pit, and at fighting off men and beasts. Hard workin dog
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  10. I say bullshit
     
  11. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. Top Dog

    They are nice dogs, and they can be a menace as well if not raised right.
    Also strangers are not easily trusted by them, which is the guard dog in them.
    The Chinese crossed the old bull terrier into the Chow to create a dog more keen to fight.
    They became really populair, especcially in the States and were bred more and more for the conformation show ring.
    Have no idea if they are still being used in illegal practices, think the Chinese knows better nowadays.
     
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  12. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. Top Dog

  13. Im not sure on all this...

    I do no hundreds of Chinise people,and there belife is the Sharpi is a cross between the Chow and some pitbull type.there belife is that the Sharpi was bred as a house gard to warn of evil spirts..and seemed to disapere in the 1950s,to make a come back in the 1970s as some rear breed fighting dog.and became populare more in the USA rather then China...or so my Chinese people tell me..
    the story of them being fuled with drink and drugs to fight is a kennel club garb.i got the Sharpi book what says all this..
    as for the old ones having no pitbull influence i doubt very much..the chow was crossed with a pit type dog of that i have no doubt.it gives a dictomy twist smooth and think coat..the chow and the sharpi are near indentical to each other.both breeds are aloof and totally untrackeble.you let them of a lead and they are gone.shoot it to get it back.
    a weird breed for sure.both also have purple bulish tounges to.
    the Sharpi has got way more of a garding instinct then a fighting instinct.
    they still make good gards.and i no of two (about fifteen years ago now)who defended a lot of money once but were shot-as it happens.so no dog gonna beat a gun lol.
    makes no diffrence if its a chow or a mastiff in that respect.

    But yeah..they might still be fought underground.that i just dont no or cant say.
    but China has pitbulls and it seems they are mad on the sport..when people are mad on that stuff they aint gonna try with sharpis...
    but i did read about ten years ago of a Chinese Bull terrier.when i looked more into this it said the chinise bull terrier was a mix of sharpi and pitbull used purly for fighting in remote parts of China..
    wer this is true or not i cant say...but it seems a little far fetched.

    Who noes what goes on in some parts of the world?
    But with the pitbull being best at his game..then it seems people will use him before any other breed.

    All the best.
    intresting history.
     
  14. Lrs

    Lrs Big Dog

    Bingo the Chinese have better access to proven dogs than most people there mad on the sport because of gambling. Also there’s practically no such thing as rspca/peta over there.
     
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  15. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    What do you folks think about the Star-Pei's conformation, namely the more modern wrinkled variety? Beneficial or not for labor and exertion? Some may disagree here, but I think the ADBA conformation standard is quite useful for understanding physical capacity for work.
     
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  16. Thats what im saying Lrs mate..
    they are insane for the gambiling..and i no what dogs they would rather wager money on..
    at the same time theres no bullshit animal crulty things over there..so there may well be other breeds used to?.
    every vid ive seen on sports from there has never had a chow or Sharpi..seen some of pitbull v tabit masstif.
    seen some of pitbull v tosa.
    never seen no chow or sharpis on them vids..and the pit v other breeds i seen were just a joke really.maybe a warm up for the crowd before the pitbull v pitbull fights start.?
    thats how it felt of watching it..but i could not tell what they were saying as i dont speak Chiniese lol.......

    The ADBA standard GK is a place to aim for.a sharpi bred to that standard would look a hell of a lot better ide say.(if you could breed them to that conformation that is.)
    Not that breeding to a physicl standard matters in my eyes..as work must come first,as form follows function.
    but yeah,the ADBA standard is a good one.its a better standard then any kennel club garb.i cant deny that!..

    The mondern wrinkly body of the Sharpi is not a good body lol.
    ive seen some nice ones on nice bodys,and they looked very nice i have to say.
    But there a rearety rather then a rule.and most i see are wrinkly scabby shitty little pug head things to be honest.
    i rember these blackish colord nice ones when i was a kid.three of em from the same litter.one male two female.all well made.all highly devoted to there owners.you would not go near them.and you certanly would not of burgled them.as these ones were fucking pcycotic..
    the male bred to his sis and the loon owners kept a few back.my god inbreeding had done no good at all, and all the pups were over wrinkled very small sickly things.thr parents were sound but there inbred pups???they were shitty things that all ways smelt bad.they had to be wiped in there wrinkles twice a day with some sort of lube to stop there faces becoming all scabby..they were just a ill bunch and all died younge.
    the owners said they would never breed them again..

    And thats just about every thing i no about Chows and Sharpis lol.
     
  17. Yakster

    Yakster Pup

    My dad had a pair of shar-pei’s When I was 10 or 11 and their some weird ass dogs...I had a good size pit that weighed 60-70 pounds named Boudreaux that ran loose in the yard and Did his job Good At protecting The yard anything that came in the yard never left Lol and he always brought his trophy’s on the porch for us to see lol...daddy always picked at me about if they got loose they’d whip my dog anyway the shar-pie’s was in a nice big fenced Area and they hated Boudreaux and Always acted sO bad though the fence till they got loose 1 day and man it was on I will say this tho the shar-pie’s tried their best and stayed loyal to each other the whole scrap and was quick and agile on their feet....for a min anyway they was rollin Scruffling pretty good double teaming him and One of em got my dog on the nose good well ol Boudreaux got mad Then Ha and pops realized Boudreaux had just been havin fun till then and once he got serious he started doin damage so we got em separated finally and got his put back up (neither 3 was hurt to bad) but after that they didn act so tough though the fence or try to get anymore lol
     

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