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Self Propelled Treadmill vs 400$ carpet mill?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Michael., Sep 28, 2016.

  1. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    Like I said, a mill can get a dog in max condition - however inferior to running the dog over terrain at a variety speeds and distances. Same applies to the human athlete. There is no comparison.

    This circular mill IMO is better than the others depicted on this thread. Other than running in a circle, dog gets to dig in and use his muscles/structure as nature intended.

     
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  2. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua Premium Member

    Thats not what you said to me as I asked you this question>Are you saying a dog cant open up and sprint on a decent free turning mill?...and your answer was yes and you posted a couple of vids as your examples or reasons why.

    LMAO@Circular mill, that equipment is different then the mills we were talking about.
     
  3. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    Are you saying a dog can sprint on a free spinning mill with the same biomechanics as over land? I think not, but willing to consider otherwise...
     
  4. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Premium Member Premium Member

    Comparing a slat and carpet are similar machines. A ''circle mill'' or what everyone else in the world calls a CAT MILL is a whole different ball game. Its like comparing apples to oranges.
     
  5. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    Actually the carpet mill and the slat mill and the catmill are the exact same. Tools. Nothing more than nothing less.

    The apples and oranges part comes in when the conditioner tries to use one and get to the results as if he were using one of the other.

    Almost like you can dig a hole with a hammer but it would be better to use a shovel.

    S
     
  6. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

    A cat mill just like a slat mill is an aerobic conditioning tool which is inferior to a carpet mill which is an anaerobic conditioning tool!
     
  7. promoe

    promoe Premium Member Premium Member

    I think the OP just wants to excerise his animal. Get on Craigslist and buy and emil for cheap,hell ppl are giving them away practically as they are primarily used as coat hangers in homes. if that's not working for you then upgrade to a carpet or slat. remember you gotta learn how to pop a wheelie before you can ride one! ;)
     
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  8. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Premium Member Premium Member

    What I meant by apples and oranges is the size. A slat or carpet can be kept inside your home so in that regard they are comparable. A cat mill takes up your yard so not comparable in that sense and not everyone has that kind of space. So if someone wanted a carpet or slat and was wondering what is best all around its not practical to recommend them a catmill.
     
  9. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    Depends on the slat mill. Depends on the carpet mill. And mostly depends on how it is chosen to be used.

    I use a carpet mill that I aerobic work on. It is very free turning. It gets about 3 1/2 to 4 revolutions per hard hand pull. I like it because the dog has to power every step but at the same time he is not driving every step. It is free enough for the dog to open up and go all out. He gets full stride and does not look like he is lugging a tire, even at high end/top speeds.

    I can keep this mill totally anaerobic by doing short sprint work. From zero to wide open and hold it for 10-15 seconds. Stop. Do it again and again. This type of burst/explosion/sprint work is strictly anaerobic.

    On the other hand it turns so freely that if I let him open up and hold a stride he is doing aerobic work.

    Put him on anther carpet mill who gets one or even less rotations per hand pull and he will be in an anaerobic state his entire time moving the mill.

    It all depends on the individual mill and how the individual person chooses to use it.

    S



     
  10. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    Very true. I mentioned this before. A dog doing all out, go get'em sprints on the ground will outclass any mill. But not everyone has a yard or spot or even a dog that can accomplish this. I misunderstood what you meant.

    S
     
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  11. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

    WRONG WRONG WRONG!

    Anearobic activity will burn fat at a higher rate!
    Anearobic activity will build muscle at a higher rate!
    Anaerobic activity will burn fat while resting!
    Anaerobic activity will get a dog in an anabolic state faster and longer!
    Anearobic activity can be done aerobically!
     
  12. blueboy

    blueboy Big Dog

    CH Can you explain why Slim12 is so wrong? My understanding is that sprint work such as described is an anaerobic activity.
     
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  13. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    All the above is true. The last one is true but if one is aiming to do aerobic work with their dog to balance the load with the anaerobic work, why would one choose the anaerobic path to get to aerobic?

    The only issue is that a dog being put into peak condition is being put into peak condition for one reason, to perform all out for an undetermined amount of time. There has to be anaerobic work, aerobic work, cardio, muscular endurance work, just about everything under the sun. At some point in the show he will need the speed of a greyhound, the strength of a weight puller, the long distance sprinting of the sight hounds and the long distance weight pulling of a sled dog. He will use any and all of these for an unknown amount of time, coupling them, and even jumping from one to another.
     
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  14. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog Premium Member

    I don't have much experience with mills. Yet my friend Scrachin Dog does. She has used an old Colby carpet mill that a friend gave her many years ago. (Those mills were made by the Amish ) It certainly helps. I have seen with my own eyes her Bulldog like Gaston win the treadmill race at a ADBA show. It was held on a slat mill, Gaston burned it up ! The man who was over this particular treadmill race told me in his opinion, every serious dogman should have a slat mill. I certainly love the Dog trotter mills.. (Bigger money) Great information on this thread. Slim, AGK, are hands own men that have had experience. I value their opinion.
     
  15. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    I am a carpet mill guy. The first ones I learned on were sanded plywood with heavy carpet sliding over stationery PVC. It took no time to wear a dog out. We got an older mill made by a guy named Dowdy. Lawnmower wheels and steel skate wheels. Worked well for a number of years. Then we bought a Colby mill in the late 80's, early 90's. It was better than we had but not where I wanted to go. In time we had an older G-Force mill.

    I too am a big fan of the dog trotter. The old G-Force is still kicking so no need to replace it. We went away from the Colby mill to the belt type mill I make now. The combination of the two seems to be working well.

    The real key is to use as many tools as the dog will work. The Evo Pro is $2500 or so, but if the dog will not work it then all it is good for is to hang clothes on. If he kills himself on a homemade $10 flirt pole, which one is more valuable for that dog?

    Maybe the real key is not painting oneself into a corner.

    S
     
  16. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

     
  17. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

    Why would you choose an anaerobic tool to do aerobic activity is because of all the other benefits resistance training offers!
     
  18. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

    Not everybody knows how to get the benefits from a carpet mill. Resistance training outperforms aerobic training which is a scientific fact. Corvettedex you know first hand the benefits of resistance training!
     
  19. promoe

    promoe Premium Member Premium Member

    you should have used "The Dex"
     
  20. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I guess I don't get the difference. Many Mills today come with brakes to make the dog have to actually work to turn the mill. would that not be the same thing as the effort to turn a carpet mill? resistance training.
     

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