Schutzhund

Eh, not a big deal. They'll ignore the Out command for a while but no harm done, they'll learn it eventually. The worst thing that can happen is that they'll ignore Out and they'll flunk their trials. They can be trained to Out (if it's a good, trainable dog) and then try again.

 

ShutzhundI think the right APBT should be able to do it I dont think any competition is beyond APBT.
All I am saying I believe that their should be APBT champions in all competitions it takes the right dog that's
for sure but I wont knock it having a winn in that would most def be something.

 

So a bulldog shouldn't learn the out command in your opinion?

 

They can do it all because they are one of the best breeds humanity has ever created
the times must have been just right and people a lot more demanding not limiting.
If for some of the people on this board combat is all they would ever know
Take a real good look at your yard is that really all you see and his worth
not me bros i am a true lover and believer in this breed and believe it
to be dynamic enjoy the vid http://youtu.be/mt8a9kS5sRI

 

They were created for pit sport. The majority of them should be bred for such.
However they are probably the most versatile breed on the planet.
I think to deny them other sports is silly and unfair.

 

I like what this guy says about using APBT
http://www.lawdogsusa.org/whypitbulls1.html
I know at the bottom they are pushing some dogs maybe
but it dont matter they are doing right by these dogs
cliff seen your avatar on that vid time life I guess you really been in the game
for a long time lol

 

I have skimmed that site but to be honest I am not a fan of the author.
And LOL no I only like the image! Just wish I had been around for so long!

 

The thing is, it's not a "job", it's a sport. Why not let them try it?

 

I think it would be dangerous with teaching a dog personal protection, but Schutzhund is gear-oriented. To get the dog off you'd just have to slide off the sleeve because the sleeve is the object of the dog's fixation. They are trained from the beginning to get the sleeve. If the dog got carried away and wouldn't release, you'd just have a torn-up bite sleeve. I wouldn't see a problem using a Grey for Schutzhund, but they aren't quite as versatile and multi-purpose as the APBT.

The way I think of it is this: A short kid may not be the best candidate to play basketball, but if he enjoys it, why not let him play?

I don't know everything about Schutzhund so my opinion could be flawed but I do know my girlfriend wants to do Sch with APBTs...

 

I don't know exactly, she's 18 so just a few years I imagine. She wants to use APBTs because she loves APBTs and thinks it would be fun.

 

come on now ben? you got to take into factor the people your talking about.

would i trust lifelong sheperd owners who decided to get an apbt and try the shutz with that dog like they did with the previous breed? ABSOLUTELY not!

but if folks have the knowledge and respect of what these dogs are capable of doing and contain them like so, then i dont really see the harm in it. considering that the majority of bite work is done out of work drive, and not aggression. i'll almost bet that there are tons more schutzhund trained dogs that are great with people and strangers and the works, than there are actual human agressive maneaters involved.
not to mention a good outlet to work your animal.

so if you ask me, it all depends on who handles the dog.

its definately not a sport for the average everyday dog owner tho.

 

Yup, clear as crystal, and put that way you make a helluva point.

 

but there is a difference in learning an "out" command for a fun sport or activity versus their original purpose. quitting on command for something other than what they were bred for should not be an issue. yes they were bred not to quit on another dog. but if given a "out" command for something else, i think they should be expected to obey, if that's what you want them to do. that's mostly what those sports are for anyway, is to demonstrate drive and obedience in a fun sport setting. it's not a serious combat competition. now, i may be completely off-base, i have never participated ring sports or the like myself, only watched them and talked to those that do participate, but this is how i feel about it anyway, makes sense to me. or even further, perhaps i completely mis-understood you anyway, lol. correct me if im wrong

 

This is how I feel. APBTs are fine for Sch. They aren't Personal Protection dogs, but Schutzhund isn't Personal Protection.

 

My dogs are doing fine in this sport .. They LOVE the training . Honestly brought out more drive than they had previously. We know quite a few APBT in the sport and all are doing excellent! . There is even a Garner dog at our club and hes awsome! To be honest , my pitterstaff seems to have more aptitude for the sport but the pup is pickin it up nicely too.