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No that is not the same reason...........There are decent amount of dog men that use and recommend carpet mills and a lot of them that prefer Eli blood......but when it comes to using muzzles in school its probably less then 1%, that should tell you that if the other 99% arent doing it or have no real need to do it , it must not be very effective like you claim or else more people would be utilizing it.

You said the muzzle is used to fatigue and frustrate a dog, by the time the muzzle comes off, the head dog will be too tired to hold one out or think clearly and learn from it...same goes for a stifle dog, he be too exhausted to break through the other dogs defenses to go to the stifle LOL....this is also the reason why its not done on young prospects because the young dog will be too exhausted to learn from it instead he will most likely just remember the fatigue more then the schooling lesson since majority (30-45min.) of it was done with a muzzle on and only (10-15) without....If you ever been in a sparring match you should know when one gets really fatigued its hard to think clearly and learn to adapt then when one is FRESH and fully charged and ready to go.

Again if you never answer my question, no matter how clear your answer is, that is not the answer to my question. LMAO

Wrong again the word you used is NOT effectively, its VERY EFFECTIVE is the word you constantly used...The word VERY EFFECTIVE has a high percentage rate in the high 80% and above.

 

Those methods that are not effective REMAIN at 1% or less.....If you are going to apply percentages to those using muzzles in schooling we assume those are the people that know what they are doing in dogs and out of all those people its still 1% or less. LOL

The same could be said of those who drink the kool aid every time a new FAD method is introduced instead of the old TRIED AND TRUE METHOD that majority (99%) of all dog men through out history have done in schooling. Its so funny you seem to think/assume I have never tried it or dont know any one who's tried it. LMAO...There are some dog men who have TRIED using a muzzle but most which is like 99% felt like it was not that effective compared to just schooling one out without a muzzle......Unless there was a RARE specific need to do so most would not utilize that method as there were more effective methods like NOT using a muzzle. LOL

Less then 1% use a turntable because like a muzzle there is more EFFECTIVE tools/ways to use. LOL....Comparing a muzzle to a Jenny is a bad analogy.....The reason most dont use a Jenny even though it is very effective is for the mere fact that they do not have the space as most are over 20 feet long and also a properly built one is hard to come by as most jennys are custom built and they are expensive....A jenny is also difficult to hide from unwanted EYES....Every one here can purchase a muzzle easily at almost any pet/feed store but ask ANY MEMBER on this forum if they have the SPACE and KNOW how to build/access to purchase one?...A lot of the city dog men keep there dogs in fucking 1.5ft.X3ft. crates do you think they would have space for a 30 foot jenny??? LMAOROTF

Again with your winning and heroics as this has very little to nothing to do with this topic on muzzles used for schooling. Like I said in my other post if one person keeps on winning because he claims sucking on his dogs nut sack after every work out does the trick does that make his method very effective??? LMAOROTF.....again you think people havent tried it as there have been people who tried it but did not like it due to it not be as effective as schooling one without a muzzle.....Also for your info just in case you seem to NOT know me fairly well I am not one to follow the masses just to follow the masses or to follow ANYONE just to follow them. What I follow is the TRUTH......First off anyone who follows anyone without any reason are idiots. Second masses do not follow mayfield, its more like a few CULT followers but the MAJORITY/MASSES DO NOT FOLLOW MAYFIELD.

I have found how to have my cake and eat it too, its called NOT USING MUZZLES IN SCHOOLING, which is the old TRIED AND TRUE METHOD.

 

True. To each his own. And i will bet on my own.

 

Muzzle added to normal schooling cannot hurt. And cannot take away. No need to bash me lol relax men

 

If you cant think clearly in a sparing mach because your "fatigued", youd best not spar w me. Im speaking from experience, your speaking from opinion. This wont get far..

 

Its basic physical biology, when one gets really fatigued one cant think as clearly as when one is fresh.....Yes its best I dont spar with someone with your level of intelligence since you are speaking from experience and I am only speaking from my opinion from watching Friday night Kung Fu theater. LMAOROTF

 

When fatigued during sparring, humans, muscle memory comes into play. Those hrs practing become second nature so you shouldn't have to think, just do. Thinking at all during fighting/sparring is a bad idea imo. Like, "if he does this, then I will do this!" You can tell when a person is "planning/plotting" if you spar/fight enough. Strike first, strike often, just react

 

"Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves.

Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." -Bruce Lee

"Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own." -Bruce Lee

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who had practiced one kick 10,000 times." -Bruce Lee

That last quote is what muscle memory is to me

 

Ahhh I see you have read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, one of my favorite books.....Those are the three concepts I live by absorb what is usefull, reject what is useless and add to what is essentially your own.....JKD favors formlessness so it can assume all forms and like wise uses any technique or means which serve its end.

 

You are telling me to read what I wrote about JKD very carefully??? LMAO..........First off who said JKD was proven verses various styles? LMAO.....frowned upon by what masses and establishments???? LOL.........That is a BIG GUESS because you do not understand JKD........JKD can be effective like ANY martial arts.

1% by JKD definition/philosophy is not effective and that falls under the "DISCARD WHAT IS USELESS" catagory. LMAO.

You think JKD at its origin was less then 1%??? LMAO.......take a deep thought about the word CONCEPT. LOL

Its all the time.....what you fail to realize is that its not just my opinion but 99% of the doggers that DO NOT USE MUZZLES in schooling. LMAO

Sin is lies ,God is truth. We are all sinners. lol

Again, using a muzzle is not proven to be very effective, nor is it widely popular because its a technique that does not serve its end. A technique that serves its end is a TRIED AND TRUE technique that majority (99%) of the practitioners utilize while they discard the 1% that is not as effective as the other.. Let me see if I can make it any clearer, One can completely school a dog without using a muzzle and at any age which completes its end on its own, its does NOT work the other way around.

 

Here we go again....LMAO@part of schooling is too teach one about fatigue. LMAO

LMAO@quote>If the first time he is fatigued is when the true game check happens odds are he will hang it up.....any dog old enough to be schooled and then hangs it up on his game test regardless of fatigue is a CUR. LMAO.........That is not the kicker as they dont need to learn what fatigue feels like to not quit. LMAO....its like if a dog could talk he would say well since you didnt teach me about what fatigue feels like that is the reason why I quit and not because I am a fucking CUR. LMAO

I am also a open minded person, but when ones mind is too open your brain falls out. LMAOROTF....plus I dont know what this has to do with our topic. lol

Winning by any means necessary that serve its end means "ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING", there is no wrong way meaning if a JKD practitioner was getting the crap beat out of him he could pull out a knife and use it as there is no such thing as cheating in a street fight altercation or a illegal activity. LMAO

Again more of your heroic stories that dont really have any meaning to what we are talking about. LOL There are hundreds of thousand ways to condition one into top shape but when it comes to schooling there is only one true way and that is without using a muzzle as there is only 2 options with a muzzle or without. LMAO

AAAhhhh shit not another heroic story LOL.......LMAO@not everyone has enough rocks on there land ahahahahhhhaahhahahahaahhahaahhahhahahahahahahaahahhaahhahahahahhahaahahahhahhahhaaahahaaa.....aahhhhh man you literally had me laughing this early in the morning my neighbors must think I am crazy, oh wait they already know I am. LMAO.......ok wtf are we talking about again??? oh yeah a retarded german shepard LMAO aaahhhh shit ROTF....man I am too tired to respond to this nonsense right now. LOL

 

How is a technique very effective if its not a complete technique on its own compared to a technique that is complete on it own?

How do you know that effectiveness comes from using the muzzle???? as opposed to when you take that muzzle off to school him??? Whats really making it effective/ work? Like I said it works only one way it does not work the other way around......Schooling a dog without a muzzle is the most effective which the term VERY EFFECTIVE is used while schooling one can be effective to a degree but not VERY EFFECTIVE since schooling one WITHOUT a muzzle is VERY EFFECTIVE.

 

Anything can be labeled as effective but how effective compared to WHAT and how does one know that particular method was actually the method that made it work?

 

Conditioning has way more variables, that is why there is a million conditioning methods but when one is talking about schooling with or without a muzzle there is only 2 scenarios.

like I said any thing can be effective but how do you know which part made it work and which part did not?....Schooling without a muzzle works consistantly......schooling with a muzzle does not unless you take the muzzle off which proves that its more effective when one takes the muzzle off because it cant work the opposite way around proving that NOT using a muzzle is very effective then when using one. SIMPLE. LOL