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REAL HISTORY OF A LVING LEGEND (reprint)

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by ELIAS'PISTOLA, May 18, 2015.

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  1. 305APBT

    305APBT Big Dog

  2. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    Depending on how inbred, but 3
     
  3. Polar Ice

    Polar Ice Pup

    cik you seem confused again. Firstly, I don't have any sidekicks here, you may have your conspiracy theory alert going off again but believe me buddy there is no conspiracy or group of clandestine characters contriving against you. Secondly, and once again. The burden of proof is not on me or anyone else to prove you wrong, it is on you to prove your theory right which you have not been able to do yet, I am only pointing out to you the flaws in it, the most recent one being where are the ADBA papers you claimed proved Boudreaux had lied. It turns out that they do not exist. So what I was saying I guess is; if your whole theory on Billy and Eli was based on something that didn't exist or cannot be proven by you then your theory falls apart. No sarcasm, tone or judgement of you, simply that your theory has no basis in fact and the longer this thread goes the weaker your case appears. Sure there were a lot of claims by Mayfield in the 90s that this happened and that happened but no tangible proof that any of it actually did occur has ever been produced.

    It is going to be really hard for you to prove any of this, I would say impossible because of the passage of time and that most of the people who would know are dead. Also, your reluctance to actually talk to the only person that could ever have known what happened, Floyd Boudreaux. You say you seek the truth but that seems to be only to a point. Your reasons for not visiting Boudreaux and talking to him are your own but every story has two sides and if you are not prepared to hear the other side then I doubt your intentions are to find the truth but rather to try and change history.

    At this point and based on what you have produced so far, Billy's heritage remains intact according to Boudreaux and other commentators of that time. (see the posts by Osage as just one example) Also, there was never any connection between your claims about Billy and your claims about Eli. The one does not relate to the other. Even if Eli wasn't sired by Scrub, I'm sure Evelyn Start's bitch was not the only black pit bull to drop a litter of pups in Louisiana during the 60s. To imagine that it could only have been the Cry litter is more guess and hope that research and fact.
     
  4. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog


    You still miss the point. I will try t o d o t h I s s l o w l y f o r y o u.


    Nothing you have claimed can you prove! Show it or shut the hell up.
     
  5. Iron Mike

    Iron Mike CH Dog



    Steve Boudreaux was. Don't run your mouth unless you never plan to come back to this side of the world.
    Now you have to judge the creditability of a person to believe if he is honest and forthright in what he stated.


    First off, Cry Baby was returned to Don years before Eli was born. Also Don was told directly by me, to him in person and in writing & in magazines and his chat what he stated wasn't true and what he done to others..
    I guess you missed Lemm's remarks to Don or Pat Carver's remarks to Don in SDJ. So why is Don the only truthful one out of so many others.


    Why should we take Don's word for it? Don's been so truthful in the past? Standup and honest?
    Lets take a closer look.


    Don Mayfield:

    Stole Fitzwater's Goldie and sold him to Mike Ferris.
    Stole everyone's subscription money to Pit Dog Report.
    Stole pre-paid orders of his book Heritage.
    Selling dogs years after he was force to get rid of all his dogs, btw this also after decades of producing black dogs started to produce red/red nose dogs. lol
    He told me in his chat our dog Ch. Iron Spike R.O.M. was from his stock ROFTL!
    He must have been thinking of his only champion, Ch. Hope who had Red Devil in him. :)


    Best for last..........Committed the Mann Act with his own cousin.......!

    Now let the man R.I.P. Those of us who was around in those days knows he was full of shit in his latter years.
    BTW Floyd's phone is still the same and if you can't find it, look the Truth Magazine of old Pit Dog Reports. Tell him directly what you think of him.
    Go over to Texas City, Texas and tell Ivy's sons what you think of their uncle Steve. I would buy a ticket for that show! rotflmmfao@ ur (_?_)
     
  6. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

  7. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Not the Man Act Iron Mike ? Lmfao.......:ohshit:
     
  8. cik

    cik Big Dog


    Cajun the adba is just a part of it, the words of billys dob came from floyds own words , so stop trying to make it seem like theres a differance, and Floyd had eli stolen and was not happy about it, so again you talk only to try and divert attention to what makes you feel better
     
  9. cik

    cik Big Dog


    polar its not the adba peds that I based my theory on it was floyds words, and I assumed that billy had been registered , so its not about the adba its about floyds words, and I don't know if he did or didnt register the dog, but I im sure he is registered either with the adba or ukc , but that's irrelevant ,its floyds words that matter , as for osages story ,its one of many about dibo but most have it that he was around 2 yrs old before he left heinzls yard, so I see you choose to believe what suits conviently you .
     
  10. cik

    cik Big Dog


    as usuall mike you like to make a lot of noise as a way to divert attention from the story , but all of what you posted has nothing to do with the thread, and the part about don getting crybaby back years before eli was born is bull shit, and you know it, even floyd didnt try to lie that bad, and he wouldnt have told mayfield the pups al died and then 2yrs later he shows up at pitside with eli .


    Anotnher thing you once said that dibo was 3yrs old before tudor got him or are you going to deny that ? But enough folks seen it .
     
  11. cik

    cik Big Dog


    OSAGE THIS DOES NOT CONTRADICT WHAT I SAID, THE ONLY THING IS THAT THIS SAYS DIBO was around a year old, which could mean a year or older , maybe even 18mths old, but the rest of the story is more or less the same as the other dibo stories, and as I never quoted the dibo story merely made a passing comment of it, I don't see how you can say that this story contradicts what I was saying , and the story like the others makes no mention of dibo being bred in the early part of his life at tudors to minnie to produce billy , it only talks of dibo being bred after he was matched and he was probably around 3yrs old by then, so if dibo was born in march 1951 and billy is born in 1952 even if dibo was around a year old when tudor got him , its still very unlikely he was bred to Minnie , and maybe we need to ask the adba to give us the dates fro dibos breeding to Minnie to see if he was bred within the timeframe, and who registered the breeding .
     
  12. Polar Ice

    Polar Ice Pup

    No, you have changed your story to suit your weakening story. If there are no papers then there is no verification of your story, as you said there was according to the ADBA. You claimed the ADBA papers in relation to what Floyd was reported as saying in a magazine article proves he lied, without the ADBA papers which you said was your proof, then your claims fall flat, or heaven forbid.... you lied.

    No again, I have not chosen anything to suit my convenience. That is what you have been doing all along. The many so called stories of Dibo??? Man, they are reproductions of the same story. The difference for Osages story is that it has more details than any other that I have read and so I think it does lend weight to the debate. It seems the author was privy to some information that others were not, or did not offer in their own writings.Is it the whole story? definitely not! but it contributes. Are you saying the author of that article is also a liar?

    Now on that note. You have claimed to have researched the facts on this matter. I doubt that. You havn't offered any balanced scenarios or evidence that can be corroborated. Neither have you attempted to get the whole story by speaking to the only guy who knows what happened. Yet you are free and easy with the name calling and accusations about his character. You are presented with other versions of what you present and discount it without even discussion or consideration simply because it does not fit your version. You have based your whole argument on one source, that being Mayfield. whether he's right or wrong doesn't matter now. To really understand what happened you need to get information from a variety of credible sources and be open to have your own ideas challenged. You havnt done any of this, you hi-jacked this thread with an opinion and you havnt been open to any other view except your own predetermined one. Your whole debate is a D and heading further south with every post.

    Before this thread I wasn't sure about the whole Billy thing. I really didn't care much about it but I didn't know. I still don't know but having read your claims and counter claims and now finding out that one of the two premises for your entire argument never existed. Also, your arguments have not stood up to any reasonable query from other members on here. In that context I now think Billy is just how he is shown to be bred. So, thank you for the clarification.
     
  13. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    No you said that your proof was the DOB an that the DOB on the ADBA papers was the same as stated by Floyd, yet no ADBA papers exist. So I geuss it's safe to say that the one fact you have proven is that you are full of shit. And before Eli was stolen he was given away, lol something you just don't do if you can't reproduce it


    March isn't the only month for Madness!!
     
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  14. OsageDogman2014

    OsageDogman2014 Big Dog

    It contradicts it in that the story says he was bred at Heinzl's yard and left there at the age of around 1 year old. Don't sweat it CIK...it is just another story and I don't claim to know or believe any of the stories. Hell, that was a very long time ago. Don't go looking for truth in a world of lies and mis-direction......

    I believe the following question sums up your query....

    How can Dibo's littermate brother (Arizona Pete) be bred to his mother (Bambi) to produce a daughter (Billy's mother) that is then bred to Dibo to produce a son (Blind Billy) that is only around a year older than his father (Dibo)????

    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=4091

    Were these guys breeding puppies together to get these awesome dogs? It happens, but I doubt that they needed to do that. Was Pete a littermate or from a previous breeding? Or do you think that maybe there was a mis-quote as to the year in which Billy was born. Maybe you should just call Floyd, or like you said, maybe contact the registry to gather more information if it is that important to you. Nobody on this board is going to figure it out and help you feel better. Personally, I couldn't care less and it doesn't matter one bit how he was bred. It might as well be fiction at this point....lol....
     
  15. cik

    cik Big Dog


    polar my theory was never based on the adba papers, it was and always has been on two known facts, 1 floyds own words of bilys dob and 2 the known dob of dibo and his story , the facts that i have said adba , is because I assume that the dog had been registered at some point, and I also assumed that he would have been registered with that same dob,, so as I said before polar but as usuall you only chose to use what suits your agenda , from the things I have said and then try to twist them to suit you, and given that you don't care , then why is that rather than take an unbiased look at those dobs and timelines ,all you and others have done, is to try as hard as you can to not look at those very important points in the story and pretend they don't matter, you have spent the last few posts saying much , but not once have you ever given those dobs and timelines and thought , only in trying to disprove them, which would be saying Floyd lied about them and whoever registered dibo also lied in your opinion ,,otherwise if you were not being biasaed towards Floyd , you would have at least made some concession that it doesn't look good based on those dates , eventhough as I have always said in trying to be fair, unlike you polar, that anything is possible ,
    so JUST TO BE CLEAR POLAR , I HAVE NEVER BASED MY STORY ON ADBA OR UKC PEDS , BUT I HAVE BASED THEM ON FLOYDS OWN STORY AND DIBOS , AND IF IN THAT I HAVE MADE COMMENT OF ADBA PAPERS IT WAS ONLY BECASAUE I ASSUMED , THAT THE DOG HAD BEEN REGISTERED WITH ONE OR BOTH REGSITERIRES , BUT IT WAS ALWAYS FLOYDS WORDS THAT DIDNT MATCH THE TIMELINE THAT WAS MY BELIEF ,AND AS FAR AS I KNOW THAT HASNT CHANGED SINCE FOREVER .
     
  16. cik

    cik Big Dog


    cajun of course if floyd said billy was born in 1952 , then if the dog was registered i assume it would have been the same , and it has always been about floyds words not the papers , the papers if there are any would have shown the dob ,which should be the same as what floyd said dont you think cjaun?


    Cajun all you are is a joke you try as hard as you can to find some little piece to cling to like the adba papers i mentioned, and try to deflect it away from the main point which was the words of the great man the legend the most honest man who ever lived , floyd boudreuax , but you must not think that about ole floyd otherwise you might have made mention of his words ,but you never have, and now you even resort to trying ot make up stories about what floyd thought of eli to somehow prove what he thought of those dogs, but cajun floyd made his name on eli . Not anything else before that, and folks are still talking about eli today in their yards , so stop trying to deflect and be a man or dont they breed them down your way.
     
  17. cik

    cik Big Dog


    HI OSAGE , LT ME SAY THAT YOU AT LEAST HAVE THE RIGHT WAY OF POSTING , YOU TRY TO PUT FORWARD SOME INTELIGENT ARGUMENTS ,NOT JUST HATE AND BILE THAT THE OTHERS DO WHO HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE TRUTH, BE IT MINE OR THEIRS , THEY JUST DONT WANT THIS TO BE CORRECT AT ANY COST, AND HAVE NEVER ONCE MADE A POST LIKE YOURS , SO I SALUTE YOU FOR THAT OSAGE.


    nOW MY DEAL IS THAT YES I FIND IT HARD TO BELOIVE THAT IF FLOYDS WORDS ABOUT BILLY ARE CORECT, AND HE HAS NEVER CHANGED THE DOB ON BILLY AND HAS HAD MANY OPPORTUIITES TO DO SO HAD HE MADE A MISTAKE ABOUT IT, THEN THAT DOB WITH THE DOB OF DIBO AND THE KNOWN STOIRES OF WHICH YOU POSTED ONE, WHICH HAS DIBO NOT LEAIVNG HEIZNLS YARD AT THE EARLIEST AT AROUND A YR OLD BASED ON YOUR STORY, AND A YEAR OLD COULD MEAN MORE LIKE 18 MTHS , AND OTHER STOIRES WHICH HAVE DIBO NOT LEAVING HOWARDS UNTILL AROUND 2 YRS OLD AND OLDER , BUT EVEN IF DIBO WAS A YR OLD SAY 14 MTHS OR SO, DO YOU THINK TUDOR BRED HIM ALMOST IMMEDIATLEY TO MINNIE ? WHICH HE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE DONE IF BILLY HAS ANY CHNACE TO BE OUT OF DIBO , AND THATS ONLY IF THE AROUND A YR OLD STORY IS TRUE , BUT I DONT THINK TUDOR TOOK DIBO HOME AND BRED HIM IMMEDIALTLEY, AND NO MENTION OF THAT HAS EVER BEEN MADE, WHICH YOU WOULD TIHNK WOULD HAVE BEEN, AS THE OTHER BREEDINGS TO PRODUCE HIS SONS SPIKE JEFF ETC WAS KNOWN ABOUT FROM AFTER HE HAD BEEN AT EARLS SOME TIME, AS MENTIONED IN YOUR OWN STORY, SO OF COURSE ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, BUT BEING REALISTIC I FIND IT HARD TO BELIVE , AND IF DIBO HAD BEEN 2 YRS OLD THEN IN NO WAY COULD HE BE BILLYS SIRE IF FLOYD IS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT BILLYS DOB OR YEAR OF BIRTH , AND I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT IF THE REGISTRIES WILL TELL THE INFORMATION ON DIBOS REGISTERED LITTERS AND BILLYS REGISTERED PED ETC AND WHO MADE THOSE REGISTRATIONS AND WHEN ETC, THAT WILL HELP , BECAUSE ITS NOT ONLY IF THE DOG OR LITTERS WERE REGISTERED, BUT WHO REGISTERED THEM AND WHAT YEAR THEY WERE REGISTERED ,BUT IN ANY CASE OSAGE CALLING FLOYD WONT HELP WILL IT , I MEAN IT WOULD BE LIKE AS ASKING A TURKEY TO VOTE FOR CHRISTMAS .
     
  18. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    So let me get this straight someone who points out the flaws in your theory is doing it out of hate. You just admitted your claims are based on assumptions..... You know what they say about making an assumption. Basically you used the ADBA paperwork as your proof until you found out there wasn't any and then you backtracked on what you said


    March isn't the only month for Madness!!
     
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  19. 305APBT

    305APBT Big Dog

    CIK
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  20. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    are you shure?
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