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REAL HISTORY OF A LVING LEGEND (reprint)

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by ELIAS'PISTOLA, May 18, 2015.

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  1. cik

    cik Big Dog


    hi 305apbt, its not whehter it matters today or not, but imo knowing the truth as best as we can will always help one knowledge and breeding, especially if their breeding program was or is based on the said line of dogs .


    This thread is just a conversation about a well known dog and the story surrounding him and his alleged son eli, why is it that this seems to upset folks so much ,as this and most other apbt forums are full of threads about long dead dogs and dogmen, its what makes our breed interesting ,and the history of them , so maybe its not important to you or your breeding program today , but if your reading this thread, then it means you have some interest in the truth at least ,and it might be speculation in most cases ,but im quoting floyds own words ,so i think its a little more than just speculation .
     
  2. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    Ok where's your ADBA papers lol don't worry I'll wait....


    March isn't the only month for Madness!!
     
  3. redwar

    redwar Big Dog

    Well, maybe its upsetting to some because anytime a thread mentions any of the aforementioned dogs or dogmen even when in completely unrelated topics the thread is jacked by the "entourage" and then it becomes 100's of threads beckoning us all to hear the tales of whoa, and listen to more and more "proof" which never proves anything, this case included. Or maybe it is some other reason who knows? And just to clarify, I read these threads for a laugh, to see if anything ever pans out,which it never does and to read Key posting to himself over and over, another laugh. Truth searching would be phone calls and letters to those mentioned and others who may have been there. Not internet mumbo jumbo.
     
  4. 305APBT

    305APBT Big Dog


    I too enjoy the reading of the history of this breed as I'm sure nearly all here do as well. Yes it is fascinating to seek the truth and consider the differences of such stories. CIK I like that you seek the truth and are interested in the history just you try to force others to accept your thoughts and expect others to prove to you their thoughts. I'm all for a good debate on any subject but I'm sure others and myself will shy away from contributing to a thread such as this simply because it is like listening to a broken record when you voice your assumptions.


    Not too many peoples peds are the way they are written just part of the game. That's why folks want to see the parents hunt and be present when breeding takes place. How far back in the ped do you think matters? <------ Serious question to all
     
  5. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Great point 305APBT...Imo, 6.
     
  6. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Generations....Now if someone is wanting say a pure line such as The colby line, then for paper work reasons, Its nice if one can go all thw way to.the start of that line. Hopeing that that paper trail is true. JMO,
     
  7. cik

    cik Big Dog


    Cajun there not my adba papers they would be floyds, and my question to you was if the adba papers show the same dob as Floyd said, would you then agree billy is not bred as Floyd said yes or no ?


    The point is of course that regardless of the papers, its floyds word, which he said many times while still a young man and not suffering from a bad memory, that OLD AGE MIGHT BRING ON , so you see your reply wanting to see the papers shows you are doing exactly what I said you do, which is look for the most ridiculous excuse to not have to face the facts,which is very sad Cajun because it shows you ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH , ONLY KEEPING THE ILLUSION OF BILLYS PED TRUE .
     
  8. cik

    cik Big Dog


    Redwar how can it be upsetting ? did anyone die from it ? are we so delicate that we must be kept away from a debate that might ask difficult questions ?are we such curs that we have to stay in the corners with our heads turned away from the opponenet ?


    As for any proof in regard to billy, ,well if floyds own words aren't proof enough for you , along with what we know about dibo to have more than enough serious doubts as to billys ped not being true, then im not sure what you need .


    Eli is a different matter , that is one where once we know the circumstances of the story each of us has to make up our own mind as to who elis sire and dam really were, not in any proven conclusive way that I think we can say with billy , but in a way of knowing for ourselves one way or the other.
     
  9. cik

    cik Big Dog


    hi 305 apbt , im glad to hear you like myself are interested in the old stories and like to know more truth,and maybe rather than shy away , you might ask yourself the same questions I did when I realised that it seemed very unlikely indeed that billy was a son of dibo , and did some research which I have put on this thread , so if you think its a broken record, why haven't you said your piece to make the record stop playing , by adding your belief , you must have one or haven't you read the details I posted about billy and eli .


    NOW AS FOR ME TRYING TO FORCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT MY VIEWS, FAR FROM IT, IM NOT STANDING BEHIND THEM WITH A GUN POINTED AT THEIR HEAD TELLING THEM TO REPLY TO MY POsTS SO I CAN TRY TO FORCE THEM TO ACCEPT MY VIEWS , NO THEY DECIDED JUST LIKE YOU DID TO MAKE A POST
    OF THEIR OWN ACCORD, AND IF My REPLYING TO THEIR POSTS IS FORCING MY VIEWS ON THEM, THEN WHAT DO YOU OR THEY EXPECT ME TO DO, WHEN FACED WITH POSTS FROM OTHERS WHICH HAVE ONLY FOR THE MOST PART BEEN ATTACKING ME FOR MY BLASPHEMY LOL OF SAYING FLOYD IMO LIED ABOUT BILY AND MORE THAN LIKELY ELI , BUT NOT ONE OF THEM HAS PUT ANY MORE FACTS TO BACK THEIR OWN ATTACKS ON ME WITH AND TRY TO SHOW ME THAT I GOT IT WRONG,SO IM SORRY 305 BUT IF IM ATTACKED, YOU CAN BET IM COMING BACK AT YOU , SO DONT BLAME ME BLAME THEM AND YOURSELF FOR NOT MAKING ANY POSTS THAT ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE THREAD AND ADD SOME DETIALS THAT MIGHT BRING MORE TO THE STORY .
     
  10. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    :panicsmiley::Insanity:Cik
    This tread has been dealt with . This post is #270. You have had some great suggestions, yet there not what you want to here. Bottom line is WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE ???:butbutbut:
     
  11. Polar Ice

    Polar Ice Pup

    What a dodge and a not very good one either. Your whole argument is based on the ADBA papers being wrong. You havnt even seen them. Your whole argument for 14 pages have been on those papers being one way and Boudreaux saying something else. Now you have proven you haven't even seen them, you don't even know. hahahaha! What a joke. Your stories are crumbling to bits and you cant even respond to the simplest query of your theory. Your theory has no foundation or merit.The burden of proof is not on proving what is already documented and accepted by the fraternity. The burden of proof is on you naysayers who have your own little story to disprove it and you can't. Hell! Mayfield couldn't prove it, how you expect to do it is a mystery.
     
  12. OsageDogman2014

    OsageDogman2014 Big Dog

    I have a copy of a written story about Colby's Dime and Tudor's Dibo. The story on Dibo contridicts everything you say about where the breeding took place, where he was born, and when he went to Tudor. It says that his parents were bred together on Heinzl's yard by his friend W.D. Smith while he was away on business. It says that Heinzl wasn't interested in the breeding because he had left instructions for Bambi to be bred to another stud. It also states that he went to Tudor around the age of 1 year old and that he ran free most of the time because he wasn't interested in other dogs and stayed out of trouble. Could the breeding that produced Billy have occured during that period of time?

    None of us were around at that time. Which story do you want to believe? What are the true facts? You can speculate, but you cannot prove anything and it would be wise to respect the people who were directly involved with the dogs.
     
  13. cik

    cik Big Dog


    hi osage , well i always said anytihng is possible, but id like to see the story you have so please post it, but i see that eventhough you may have a stroy or seen one which states this, you dodnt seem to also agree that it might be that the other stoires are true also about dibo , so i can only assume you are also one of the many who are only looking for truth if it helps out floyd .
     
  14. cik

    cik Big Dog


    polar you make me laugh , talk about me dodging lol you and your sidekicks are the ones who have dodged me every time i asked you to prove me wrong, and for your information i only use the adba as i assume floyd registered him with them , not becasue that was the only fact i had, the real point which is still there was floyds own words , so had floyd never claimed what he did about billy and i had made up the dob by myself using the adba as my sole and only proof , i could understand why you might say that, but as it has always been about what floyd said about billys dob etc that didnt fit with what was commonly known about dibo, so nice try polar, trying to use my words and research to make a post , but you might try actually doing some research of your own , and how sad that the only time you have posted on this thread is only to attack me with no facts of your own to try and show me im wrong, its not about me its about the truth , and tell me what is it that the fraternity has accepted polar ? Has it accepted that billy is a son of dibo , even if the dobs show it cant be so? Or is it that most of the fraternity probably understands theres some doubt but realises they cant do much about it anyhow, so if your happy believing floyd thats fine by me , but i belive theres still plenty of doubt to both billy and elis ped .
     
  15. cik

    cik Big Dog


    corvete , what great suggestions have i had ? Please remind me of the great other theories that have completly disproved that billy was bred a his ped shows and that eli was just a complete coincidence eventhoguh floyd had never bred anything like him before from those dogs before crybaby was on his yard , but please tell me i must have misssed some great revalation while dealing with the haters on here .
     
  16. OsageDogman2014

    OsageDogman2014 Big Dog

  17. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

  18. OsageDogman2014

    OsageDogman2014 Big Dog

  19. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    No the point is that Billy wasn't ADBA registered yet you talk about the ADBA papers showing the same date tht Floyd qouted


    March isn't the only month for Madness!!
     
  20. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    I would also like to add that the great Eli that you guys seem to think was bred from DMs dogs..... Well Floyd thought so highly of him he gave him away . Me personally if I'm gonna go to the the lengths of stealing a litter, and it turns out to be of a quality tht I've never had before I dam sure wouldn't give him away.


    March isn't the only month for Madness!!
     
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