Raw or Commercial

I saw the ingrediant for the Canidae online last night... Its good stuff... but how much is it??!! ​

 

wuts the big deal with the chicken by-product stuff?? I know what it is... but... Look at fish sticks... LOL​

 

Yeh i know. Well I guess I'll just have to take a lil trip to my dad's house in the sticks and do a lil bow hunting so I can catch me some deer meat.

 

I get Canidae locally (70 miles away) for $26.25 a bag and every 6th bag is free. So it actually cost me $21.88 a bag. Which is very reasonable for the quality.



wuts the big deal with the chicken by-product stuff??



As a general rule, you do NOT want to feed with any of the following

• By-Product – BAD
• Corn, Soy, or Wheat – BAD
• Beet Pulp – BAD
• Glutens in any form – BAD
• Artificial Preservatives - BAD

What you are looking for in a feed is what your dog truly needs; Protein from quality sources (meat, fish, eggs) and fats and oils from quality sources (beef, chicken, flax). Meats and fats/oils should form bulk of any high-end feed. Carbohydrates are not needed (just a filler). Most all kibble feeds are going to have carbs, but they should be a minimum.

• Meats and Eggs (Human grade) – GOOD
• Fats and Oils – GOOD
• NO Beet Pulp – GOOD
• Added Fermentation Product and Digestive enzymes – GOOD

There is quite a few good quality feeds out there these days. If you look and ask around you may find some that will suite your canine athletes better.

 

Nutra Ultra puppy food ingredients-


Chicken Meal
Brown Rice
Rice Bran
Lamb Meal
Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, natural source of Linoleic Acid)
Round Rice
Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, natural source of Linoleic Acid)
Flaxseed (natural source of Alpha Linolenic Acid)
Natural Flavors
Beet Pulp
Alfalfa
Salmon Meal
Oatmeal
Tomato Pomace
Fish Oil
Cranberry
Dried Egg Product
Kelp

and so on............ just wanted to know what yall thought about this brand and if any of you ever heard on Innova? i read on this guys website that it was the best out there but very expensive, these are the ingredients- i prefer to get the advice from the ones that know before i waste my money.
TurkeyChickenChicken MealGround BarleyGround Brown RicePotatoesNatural FlavorsGround White RiceChicken FatHerringApplesCarrotsCottage CheeseSunflower OilAlfalfa SproutsEggGarlicTaurineVitamins/MineralsViable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms

 

YES!!! Not to mention that some dogs have DIED from the bones!!! (perforated intestines, stomachs, etc) In the wild, wolves also eat the hide of the animal and the hide acts as a buffer for the smaller bones they cruch and swallow . Without the buffer those small bones can get stuck or puncture sensitive organs. Not to mention if the dog tries to throw it up..

While fresh food is the best way to go, many of human meat products are not as healthy as one thinks. Cows, chickens, pigs are fed all types of steroids, hormones, etc and the stuff isnt even that great for us! The way to go would be organic, all nautral free range.

Also..raw eggs can cause some serious problems ( cooked egg whites are an awsome source of protein) Raw veggies are excellent, too

I have always feed the Diamond Lamb and Rice..a bit more money than the green bag but even without alot of brushing my dogs coats are soft and shinny and shed alot less than when on the green bag ( the green diamond contians CORN which is nothing more than a filler) Lamb and Rice contains no by products, corn and wheat free ..runs about 20.00 for a 40 pound bag..but I have excellent results (I also add some cooked chicken, fresh veggies) I've tried Canidae, Nautrals, Solid gold and all had the same results as the Diamond Lamb and Rice except cost wise.

 

Is Canidae A Common Dog Food,can It Be Easly Found?

 

How would raw eggs cause serious health problems? And how can COOKED egg whites be a good source of protein? I'm sure it will have some in it, but once its cooked you kill out all the good nutrients.

 

Dogs stomachs can take more than you think, dogs don't normally get salomenella (I know I spelt that wrong) the way humans do. Eggs also are a good source of protein. I had fed the BARF diet for about 1.5yrs and never had a single problem, like I said, the only meat we refrained from was Pork.

BB

 

I know that BBK. But that guy said that raw eggs were a bad idea. To me if a person posts something saying why something is bad, (and this is an informational forum) then that person should state WHY something is bad and not just say this and that is bad and then leave it without explanation as to why it is. I'm not trying to come off with an attitude. I just like to know people's reasons as to why they don't like or agree with something.


As to pork, I heard pork was real bad too because of all that salt and the fat content is waaay too high.


Hey BBK you have some nice looking dogs on your yard. Do you feed your pups raw as well? Or do you wait until they get to a certain age and then start them out on a raw diet?

 

www.canidae.com

 

The albumen in eggs is the most biologically available natural protein there is, and the yolk is loaded with vitamins. It is my understanding that the albumen is best utilized lightly cooked (soft-boiled).





AZDog;

You can go to their website (Canidae’s) a look for a store locator. They also will deliver it to your door.



BadnewsVA;

If you look at the first ten ingredients of the Nutra Ultra puppy you will notice 2 meat sources 3 fats/oils. But if you would add up all the weight of the rice it would be the #1 ingredient of the feed not a meat source. So I personally don’t like that or the fact they have to add natural flavors (what are they camouflaging?) and beet pulp. Yes the Innova is a high-quality feed.

 

When we fed the BARF diet, yes we fed pups on it as well, but we also gave them kibble to insure they got all the nutrients they needed. Usually with pups we would start with chicken backs and wings.

BB

 

thanks Texasbulldogs for the help

 

Your welcome

 

Dogs can get batacteria from raw eggs..salmonella and that was told to me by Mr Norrod himself. If anyone one knows these dogs, he does. ) They can also get sick from chewing on too much raw wild game meat like deer if lest out too long.. Alot of blood borne parisites can be found in raw meat/ bones if unproperlly handled.


Actually..dogs have very sensitive digestive systems..think about it when you switch between different bags of dog food how they get runny stool and why they say to gradually adjust when switching to a new food ... Dogs can pick up viruses and baterial from puddles of water, etc. Granted..I would say the game bred APBt is more hardy than most as they are not know to suffer from allergies, ect like many "show bred" dogs due to the breeding pratices of dogmen.


I'm not debating that "raw" or "natural" is not good..just that it isnt 100% safe and there are drawbacks to it. I personally know someone who started her dogs on the BARF diet and thats exactly what her dogs did (she researched well, followed it right) and then ended up with a dead dog and one with high vet bills) ..the bones had pierced the dogs stomachs and the other dog barfed the bones back up and gaged/ choked to death.


Have I fed my dogs raw meat? Yes. they do get it occasionally ,as with cooked, veggies, cooked eggs.. on occasion I have given them raw meaty bones to chew on..only I had a dog that could actually break those, too and had nothing but the runs afterwards

 

You're right dogs can catch bacteria or salmonella from eggs. BUT think about it. How often do you think a wild dog would actually catch this type of deadly bacteria? If the dog is in good health then there is no reason for them to contract this disease. Plus salmonella is everywhere. Its not just in eggs. Its on in your car, your grass, the dirt you walk on, It could be in your couch. Who knows. But the point is, its everywhere and if you or your dog were going to catch it, it would have been caught.


A dog's digestive system is really not sensitive at all. The only reason they have upset stomachs when you switch over their food is because of the different chemicals that are in their food. WHen the food is switched, their system is not used to the new food chemicals that are being put in their system. Like you were saying, they can get sick from eating meat that has been sitting out too long. Anyone would. But when you feed them, its not like they are going to just let their meat sit there either. its gonna get eaten righ away. I don't know any dog that would just let their meat sit in their bowls while they wait to eat it.

Also there are dangers with the raw diet just like there is with dog food. There have been dogs who have choked on their dry commercial food just as well as some who have choked on bones as well. The point is to monitor your dogs and go from there. If you know your dog likes to just bolt its food down its throat then maybe bones aren't the best idea. As far as bones piercing the stomach, there must have been some cooked bones in there, because its rare that a dog will get stabbed by a raw uncooked bone. They just don't splinter and break like that. I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, but something else must have happened that she didn't tell you.



Anywhoo keep up the good debates. The posts on this subject are always good.

 

The reason you need to slowly switch dog food is because most are feeding a poor quality fed. A high quality food will not give your dog an upset stomach or diarrhea from a sudden switch.

With a RAW diet most people make the mistake of feeding chicken pieces that are too small.

 

I thought so. I think thats why a dog would choke on a bone or get their stomach's stabbed by a small bone instead of a bigger weight bearing bone.

 

I feed Buckeye Superbits and I mix in raw chicken or raw beef with their dry kibble.. And have had very good results....Buckeye Superbits is a high protien high fat food..... 30% protien to 20% fat.. It is formulated for both adult dogs and puppies.... The price ranges from $18.00 - $24.00 for a 40 pound bag......