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Question about ADBA shows, points titles...etc

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Pirbul, Mar 7, 2008.

  1. Pirbul

    Pirbul CH Dog

    Hello guys.

    Instead of asking alot of questions I need someone with enough time and patience to explain me how does the ADBA shows work, their title and points system, sanctioned, fun shows, LPP and everything related to dog shows with conformation and WP.

    Would be nice to get enough info so i can translate it to Spanish for my forum, we got recently an ADBA club here in Spain and there are lot of questions here and there.

  2. Stillwater

    Stillwater Top Dog

    If you will call or email the ADBA, and ask for information on getting a sanctioned club started, they will send you a packet with everything you need to know. I think they charge like $5 to send it out, but they would most likly send it for free if you explain what you want to do.
  3. Dtwo

    Dtwo Big Dog

    Start with the ADBA website - show and weight pull rules are on there.
    Here is the conformation standard:
  4. GABulldog

    GABulldog Big Dog

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD> ADBA Conformation Standard Breakdown<?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o:p></o:p>

    I. Introduction <o:p></o:p>

    A. To truly understand any breed standard, one must know the history behind a breeds existence. <o:p></o:p>

    B. The purpose of a judge is the unbiased selection of quality breeding stock with true breed type.<o:p></o:p>

    C. The responsibility of judging is to put up the dogs that conform most to the conformation standard leaving personal bias aside. <o:p></o:p>

    <o:p> </o:p>

    II. Overall Appearance 20 points

    A. Conforming to breed type <o:p></o:p>

    1. Should look like an American Pit Bull Terrier from across the ring <o:p></o:p>

    2. Sturdy, three dimensional. Giving the impression of strength, not slight or frail. <o:p></o:p>

    3. Appears square, with heavy boned, solid front end with a light and springy back end. <o:p></o:p>

    4. Should look athletic, not bulky. Musculature should be smooth but defined. <o:p></o:p>

    5. Presentation of an adult dog should be of a lean, exercised animal showing a hint of rib and backbone (without hipbones showing) with muscles firm and defined. Clean, glossy coat with short trimmed nails. Presentation of dogs in the puppy <o:p></o:p>

    classes should be of a well nourished puppy, showing no ribs, backbone or hips. Coat should be glossy with short, trimmed <o:p></o:p>

    nails. <o:p></o:p>

    B. Balance <o:p></o:p>

    1. Equal angulation of front and rear assembly - judged best at the trot. <o:p></o:p>

    2. Height to weight ratio - the tallest dog at a given weight <o:p></o:p>

    3. Head size in proportion to the body, with a neck long enough to have the head appear above the top of the back when head <o:p></o:p>

    is in a normal upright position. <o:p></o:p>

    C. Presentation <o:p></o:p>

    1. Dog is socialized , showing interest in things around him. <o:p></o:p>

    2. Although some degree of dog aggressiveness is characteristic of the breed, unruly behavior will detract from the judges <o:p></o:p>

    ability to accurately judge an individual dogs conformation. <o:p></o:p>

    D. Health <o:p></o:p>

    1. The vitality of the dogs spirit, the gloss of the dogs coat and the sharpness of the dogs eye, will exude the healthfulness of <o:p></o:p>

    the individual animal. <o:p></o:p>

    2. Colors or color patterns known to be genetically linked to health problems will be considered a serious fault . Major faults: <o:p></o:p>

    merle color pattern, albinism(white dog with blue or pink eyes, pink nose, lips, no pigment present on pads, rims of eyes etc.) <o:p></o:p>

    <o:p> </o:p>

    III. Attitude 10 points <o:p></o:p>

    A. Confident and alert <o:p></o:p>

    B. Interested in things around them, in control of their space, not threatened by anything in their surroundings. <o:p></o:p>

    C. Gentle with loved ones Faults: shy or timid <o:p></o:p>

    <o:p> </o:p>

    IV. Back end 30 points <o:p></o:p>

    A. Loin<o:p></o:p>

    1. Broad and long enough to square the dog. Too short can interfere with a dogs flexibility. Too long a loin causes the dog to <o:p></o:p>

    carry excessive weight and affect a dogs agility and quickness.. <o:p></o:p>

    B. Hip<o:p></o:p>

    1. Long and sloping with adequate width. This can be judged by the set of the tail, which should be low. <o:p></o:p>

    2. Ideal slope of hip should be 30 degrees to the ground. <o:p></o:p>

    C. Proportions of the back leg.<o:p></o:p>

    1. The femur should be of a length so that the stifle joint is proportioned in the upper 1/3 of the rear assembly.<o:p></o:p>

    2. The tibia-fibula is the longer bone of the rear assembly<o:p></o:p>

    3. The length of the metatarsal is moderate, with muscles that attach equally on each side of the bone so that the hocks move<o:p></o:p>

    parallel to each other, deviating neither in or out. The metatarsals bones, hock and lower part of the tibia will be light, fine<o:p></o:p>

    and springy. <o:p></o:p>

    4. Rear angulation - ratio between the lengths of the bones and the muscles which attach on these bones, causes a bent stifle<o:p></o:p>

    which leads to a well bent hock. This contributes to the natural springiness that is desired in the rear assembly.<o:p></o:p>

    5. The muscle attachment is long and deep, well past the joint , which causes the muscles to appear smooth, but defined. (Not<o:p></o:p>

    bunchy). <o:p></o:p>

    Faults: short or flat hip, straight stifle, double jointed or slipped hock, cow hocked, bunchy muscles.<o:p></o:p>

    <o:p> </o:p>

  5. GABulldog

    GABulldog Big Dog

    V. Front end 20 points<?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o:p></o:p>

    A. Ribcage<o:p></o:p>

    1. Deep and elliptical with a prominent breastbone or prosternum. From the side, the bottom of the ribcage should at least be<o:p></o:p>

    even with the elbow joint.<o:p></o:p>

    2. Well sprung at the top, tapering to the bottom, extending well back into the loin. <o:p></o:p>

    B. Shoulders<o:p></o:p>

    1. Wider than the ribcage at the 8<SUP>th</SUP> rib. Scapula well laid back, 45 degree or less angle to the ground, and broad and flat<o:p></o:p>

    allowing for adequate muscular attachment for a heavy and sturdy front end. <o:p></o:p>

    2. The humerus is angled at an opposite 45 degree angle and is long enough that the elbow comes to the bottom of the<o:p></o:p>

    ribcage, elbows lying flat against the body.<o:p></o:p>

    3. Forearms are slightly longer than the humerus and solid, twice the thickness of the metatarsal at the hock. <o:p></o:p>

    C. Feet<o:p></o:p>

    1. Small and tight, set high on pasterns. <o:p></o:p>

    2. Pads thick, and well built up<o:p></o:p>

    3. Dew claws are natural on front feet, and do not naturally occur on back legs.<o:p></o:p>

    Faults: barrel chest, narrow chest, fine bones, out at elbows, down in pasterns, splay feet, thin pads, back dew claws.

    VI. Head and Neck 15 points<o:p></o:p>

    A. Neck<o:p></o:p>

    1. Heavily muscled to the base of the skull<o:p></o:p>

    2. Long in length<o:p></o:p>

    B. Head<o:p></o:p>

    1. Head size balanced in relationship to the rest of the body<o:p></o:p>

    2. 2/3 the width of the shoulders<o:p></o:p>

    3. Wedge shaped when viewed from the top or side, round when viewed from the front.<o:p></o:p>

    4. Cheeks 25% wider than the neck at the base of the skull<o:p></o:p>

    5. The length from the nose to the stop should equal the length from the stop to the back of the head.<o:p></o:p>

    6. The bridge of the muzzle is well developed. The fill in under the eyes should be wider than the head at the base of the ears.<o:p></o:p>

    7. The head should be deep from the top of the head to the bottom of the jaw. <o:p></o:p>

    8. Straight box like muzzle<o:p></o:p>

    9. Lips tight<o:p></o:p>

    10.Teeth, incisors should meet in the front in a scissor bite. Canines should be wide at the base and taper to the end, top<o:p></o:p>

    canines fitting tightly together behind the bottom canines. They should be sound and healthy with none missing.<o:p></o:p>

    11. Eyes, small and deep set. Elliptical when viewed from the front, triangular when viewed from the side.<o:p></o:p>

    12. Ears- no preference should be given to cropped or uncropped ears, except to enhance the overall attractiveness of the<o:p></o:p>

    individual dog. <o:p></o:p>

    Faults: short neck, cheeky, underdeveloped muzzle, lippy, missing canines, overshot or undershot to the extent that<o:p></o:p>

    the canines do not fit tightly together. <o:p></o:p>

    <o:p> </o:p>

    VII. Tail and Coat 5 points<o:p></o:p>

    A. Coat<o:p></o:p>

    1. Skin thick and loose around neck and chest, tight fitting elsewhere, showing vertical folds around the neck and chest even in<o:p></o:p>

    a well exercised animal. <o:p></o:p>

    2. Short and bristled, the gloss showing overall health of the animal.<o:p></o:p>

    3. Color or any combination of colors, except for colors or color patterns known to be genetically linked to health problems.<o:p></o:p>

    B. Tail<o:p></o:p>

    1. Thick at the base, tapering to the point. Its length should have the tail extending to the point of the hock.<o:p></o:p>

    2. Hang down like a pump handle when relaxed.<o:p></o:p>

    Major faults: Merle color pattern or albinism. (White dog, blue or pink eyes, lacks pigment)<o:p></o:p>

    Faults: Longer coat, fringed hair on tail or elsewhere, bobbed tail or any tail other than straight. <o:p></o:p>

    Disqualifications: Man aggression, one sided or both sided cryptorchid, spayed or neutered dogs
  6. Pirbul

    Pirbul CH Dog

    Yeah, i have the WP rules and conformation standard. Was more interested on know the point system for conformation. Differences between sanctioned a fun shows, this stuff with LPP and other dogs w/o ped and not spay/neuter and how many shows / year there are usually on every state.

    Thanks Shane, i know this people on here have recieved that packet, i'll ask them.
  7. Dtwo

    Dtwo Big Dog

    Fun shows - they are just that, no points are awarded towards conformation championship or weight pull titles.

    I believe a new "club" has to hold two? fun shows before they can become sanctioned.

    Point Shows
    All dogs must be ADBA registered and 4 months old to be shown, no spayed or neutered dogs.

    Puppy Classes
    Classes are judged by age and sex as follows: 4-6 month old males, 4-6 females, 6-9 month males, 6-9 females, 9-12 month old males, 9-12 females. There are 3 places given for each class - 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

    After all the puppy classes are judged, all First Place Puppies from each age class go back into the ring to compete for Best Puppy.

    Adult Classes
    Classes are judged by age and sex as follows: 12-18 month old male, 12-18 female, 18-24 month old male, 18-24 female, 2-3 year old male, 2-3 female, 3-5 year old male, 3-5 female, 5 year and over male, 5 and over female.
    There are 3 places given for each class - 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

    Champion Class
    The champion class consists of all aged dogs that are already champions (100 total points). First place in the champion class gets a cup, 2nd and 3rd get ribbons. Most shows the champion class is held between the puppy and adult classes.

    Best of Show, Best of Opposite
    For BOS and BOO, all the first place dogs from the adult classes as well as the best puppy compete in the ring. They are usually lined up females on one side of the ring, males on the other. Best of Show usually goes to a male, but sometimes females win. Regardless, once Best of Show is chosen, Best of Opposite must go to the opposite sex.
  8. Dtwo

    Dtwo Big Dog

    Blaizen Kennels knows it better than me, I wish the ADBA would put it on their website.
    I'll give it a try and maybe somebody else can fix it.

    Conformation Points
    100 points = Champion, 200 = Grand Champion, 300 = Grand Champion II, etc.

    Puppy points are less than adults
    3rd = 3 points
    2nd = 5 points
    1st = 8 points
    Best Puppy = 10 points

    Adult classes
    3rd = 3
    2nd = 5
    1st = 10

    I believe BOS is 15, BOO is 10.
    Champions I believe the cup is 15, not sure about 2nd and 3rd.
    Pirbul likes this.
  9. Pirbul

    Pirbul CH Dog

    Thanks very much, thats the info i wanted to know!
  10. Pirbul

    Pirbul CH Dog

    Couple more questions, can unpapered dogs join fun shows?

    I've read this stuff about LPP and it says this "status" is needed to participate on "sanctioned fun shows" whats the difference between fun shows and sanctioned fun shows?

    Thanks in advance whoever replys :)
  11. Dtwo

    Dtwo Big Dog

    OK - here's the points from the ADBA website (derrrh - thanks Boogie).

    Puppies 4 - 12 months Adults 12 month - 5 yrs & over<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

    1<SUP>st</SUP> - 5 pts. 1<SUP>st</SUP> - 10 pts.<o:p></o:p>

    2<SUP>nd</SUP> - 3 pts. 2<SUP>nd</SUP> - 5 pts.<o:p></o:p>

    3<SUP>rd </SUP>- 2 pts. 3<SUP>rd</SUP> - 3 pts.<o:p></o:p>

    If your dog places over ten dogs in its class, then
    You earn the following points.

    Puppies (10+ dogs) Adults (10+dogs)<o:p></o:p>

    1<SUP>st</SUP> - 8 pts. 1<SUP>st</SUP> - 15 pts.<o:p></o:p>

    2<SUP>nd</SUP> - 5 pts. 2<SUP>nd</SUP> - 8 pts.<o:p></o:p>

    3<SUP>rd</SUP> - 3 pts. 3<SUP>rd</SUP> - 5 pts.

    Trophy awards Ch of Champion Class<o:p></o:p>

    Best Puppy - 10 pts. Ch of Ch cup - 15 pts.<o:p></o:p>

    Best of Opp. Sex - 10 pts. 2<SUP>nd</SUP> place - 10 pts.<o:p></o:p>

    Best of Show - 15 pts. 3<SUP>rd</SUP> place - 5 pts.<o:p></o:p>



    Regular Class Trophy Awards<o:p></o:p>

    1<SUP>st</SUP> place - 8 pts. MWPP 55 lbs & Under 10 pts.<o:p></o:p>

    2<SUP>nd</SUP> place - 5 pts. MWPP 55 lbs & Over 10 pts.<o:p></o:p>

    3<SUP>rd</SUP> place - 3 pts.

    Ace of Ace Class Trophy Awards<o:p></o:p>

    1<SUP>st</SUP> place - 10 pts. MWPP 55lbs and under - 15 pts.<o:p></o:p>

    2<SUP>nd</SUP> place - 7 pts. MWPP 55lbs and over - 15 pts.<o:p></o:p>

    3<SUP>rd</SUP> place - 4 pts.

    <o:p>Once a dog has achieved 100 points in either the conformation or weight pull, it is given a “Champion” or “Ace” title. A certificate is mailed to the registered owner reflecting the title dog has achieved. For each additional 100 points earned (i.e. 200, 300, 400, 500, etc.) another title is given. Example: Grand Champion, Grand Champion I, Grand Champion II, etc. or... Ace of Ace, Ace of Ace I, Ace of Ace II, etc. When your dog has earned 200 points, a plaque will be presented to recognize your dog’s achievement. G/C I or A/A I and higher are also presented with a plate that is to be hung from the Grand Champion plaque, showing the additional titles achieved. Dogs that accumulate points toward titles from January 1<SUP>st</SUP> through July 31<SUP>st</SUP> will be presented an award at the ADBSI Nationals. Dogs that accumulate points toward titles from September 1<SUP>st</SUP> through December 31<SUP>st</SUP> will be presented an award at the annual ADBA Convention. Invitations notifying you of your dog’s title achievement will be mailed to you prior to the event. If you are unable to attend the Convention or Nationals to receive your award, it will be mailed to you.<o:p></o:p>


    Regular points If you place over 10 dogs<o:p></o:p>
    1<SUP>st</SUP> - 8 points 1<SUP>st</SUP> - 12 points<o:p></o:p>
    2<SUP>nd</SUP> - 5 points 2<SUP>nd</SUP> - 7 points<o:p></o:p>
    3<SUP>rd</SUP> - 3 points 3<SUP>rd</SUP> - 4 points

    Regular Points If you place over 10 dogs<o:p></o:p>
    1<SUP>st</SUP> - 15 points 1<SUP>st</SUP> - 22 points<o:p></o:p>
    2<SUP>nd</SUP> - 8 points 2<SUP>nd</SUP> - 12 points<o:p></o:p>
    3<SUP>rd</SUP> - 5 points 3<SUP>rd</SUP> - 7 points<o:p></o:p>

    Show Finalists Champion Class
    Best Puppy - 15 points <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">1<SUP>st</SUP> Place</st1:address></st1:Street> - 22 points<o:p></o:p>
    Best of Opp. Sex - 15 points <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">2<SUP>nd</SUP> Place</st1:address></st1:Street> - 15 points<o:p></o:p>
    Best of Show - 20 points <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">3<SUP>rd</SUP> Place</st1:address></st1:Street> - 7 points<o:p></o:p>

    Weight pull points
    1<SUP>st</SUP> - 12 points<o:p></o:p>
    2<SUP>nd</SUP> - 8 points<o:p></o:p>
    3<SUP>rd</SUP> - 5 points

    Trophy awards
    MWPP 55 LBS & Under - 20 points
    MWPP 55 LBS & Over - 20 points<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p>


  12. Pirbul

    Pirbul CH Dog


    Now i just need someone answer the difference between fun show and if dogs w/o ped can participate and sanctioned fun shows that only LPP dogs can go.
  13. Dtwo

    Dtwo Big Dog

    Looks like all LPP dogs must be spayed/neutered and they can only participate in "fun" classes at sanctioned shows. So, they cannot compete in conformation classes, but can compete in say "Best Red Nose" for example.


    Limited Performance Program
    This program has been set up for owners of purebred ‘unregisterable’ American Pit Bull Terriers, that are spayed or neutered. This program will allow dogs with LPP status to enter fun classes at all ADBSI sanctioned shows. This includes junior handler classes and fun classes such as judges choice, best brindle, best red/red nose, best blue or any other fun classes held by a club at an ADBSI sanctioned show. A dog with LPP status is verified as a purebred American Pit Bull Terrier as is reasonably possible using visual inspection.

    The Limited Performance Program gives purebred but unregisterable American Pit Bull Terriers a ‘second chance’ to compete along side their owner in fun events at ASBSI sanctioned shows. There are various reasons why a purebred APBT might not be eligible for registration with the American Dog Breeders Association Inc. This might include, the dog is a member of an unregistered litter, where one parents or both parents were not registered. A registered pup might have been sold for less money to a pet owner with registration papers retained by the breeder. Sometimes paperwork has been lost, and the original breeder is unable to be contacted to verify parentage for any number of reasons. Some dogs have been adopted from animal control shelters, the SPCA or various rescue groups, spayed and neutered and placed into homes with responsible owners. If this sound like your dog, then this Limited Performance Program is for you.

    Once your dog has been accepted for LPP status an identification card will be issued showing a photo of your dog, a LPP number and ownership information. This identification card will allow participation and fun events at ADBSI sanctioned shows, as well as identification and proof of ownership for your dog.

    The fraternity of American Pit Bull Terrier owners and ADBA Sanctioned clubs welcomes responsible owners of LPP status dogs at ADBA Sanctioned shows to participate and become involved.

    How to apply for LPP status with the American Dog Breeders Association Inc.

    1. Complete an application for LPP status.
    2. Enclose two color photos of your dog. One photo showing the dog from the side, in standing position. One photo showing a full view of the dog from the front (standing or sitting) showing the entire head and feet of the dog. A photo will be used for the ID card, so send the highest quality photo possible.
    3. Spayed or neutered verification from a veterinarian.
    4. $25.00 application fee.
    Mail to the American Dog Breeders Association Inc. P.O. Box 1771, Salt Lake City, Utah 84110

    After review of your application, if your dog is deemed to be ineligible for LLP status, the $25.00 fee will be returned, minus a $5.00 processing and handling fee.

    Enrollment in the Limited Performance Program is not to be misunderstood an as alternate form of registration with the American Dog Breeders Association. This program is for sexually altered American Pit Bull Terriers to allow them to participate in fun events at ADBSI sanctioned shows. The American Dog Breeders Association Inc. reserves the right to cancel a dogs LPP status at any time for cause.

    LPP Application
  14. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 CH Dog

    The fun shows I've been to don't require any sort of paperwork. They will allow any purebred-looking Pit Bull to compete. An LPP isn't required.
  15. Dtwo

    Dtwo Big Dog

    Yeah, I've never been to an ADBA "fun" show. We don't have them up here.

    AADR funs shows require no papers and the weight pull is open to all breeds.
  16. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 CH Dog

    And I've never been to an AADR show. By the time I had interest, I had just missed one, and there hasn't been one since then. Sucks. I wonder why your ADBA clubs up there don't hold fun shows. Seems like it could only make money for the club. (I assume that's why our clubs down here hold them.)
  17. Pirbul

    Pirbul CH Dog

    Thanks guys, all my questions are answered now :)
  18. Dtwo

    Dtwo Big Dog

    That's exactly what we thought! I guess they don't want to be bothered with more than one show a year. What can I say, I'm only a lowly club "member" with no say.:mad:
  19. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 CH Dog

    Yeah, the club here is a bit like that, too. Kinda... set in their ways? They talk about needing new blood in the club, but they really have no interest in their newbies. They canceled their fun show last year because they couldn't get the date they wanted. Fun show this year has been postponed indefinitely. So for the new members starting out, or those who don't have ADBA-registered dogs, there's really nothing for them. Nothing to ease them into the sport, and give them the chance to feel at home with the club. Kinda sucks.
  20. Pirbul

    Pirbul CH Dog

    Well, here in Spain im sure things will start slow and with lots of fun shows before sanctioned stuff. I guess it all depends on the clubs.

    Thanks again for info.

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