Quality Of Stud By D. M. Norrod

Quality of a stud is a matter of opinion, as we all know.
But an important factor is the bitch he is bred to.
No matter how game the stud is, if the bitch isn't up to the quality he is,
the odds are going to be that the percentage of good pups, in the litter, are going to be low.
I believe the most important part is the bitch.
So on to the reason why I finally decided to write this article.
The dog in question is Wise's Maximillian.
About 15 years ago or so we decided to try some Creed/Corvino blood.
We first seen some dogs over at an old friends of ours named Clarence Yates.
We heard a guy had a litter of pups for sale,
with some of the Creed blood in them, the pup we got ended up to be pretty game.
My grand-father did and my father still does own pit bulls.
So being around pit bulls all of my life, it didn't surprise me to see a game dog..
We met Pat Bodzianowski who spoke a lot about Ross' Red Devil a.k.a. Creeds Iron Dusty.
Red Devil was a controversial dog.
Some say Red Devil was never matched.
Some say he was as much as as 28 times.
I find that hard to believe, maybe chain weight, contacted and rolled. Anyway there is one thing, Tony, Pat and everyone involved in the breeding to Red Devil can agree on,
he did produced some hard biting game dogs.
That gets us to Wise's Maximillian.
I never bought a pup from Bob Wise, but I do own a lot of dogs with Max blood in them.
Max like Red Devil, was very controversial.
Some like Pat, because of dislike for Wise would say, Maximillian wasn't a son of Red Devil.
But a heavily inbred grandson.
Max was match, I know of by Barton of Anderson IN.
Max was game tested by Bob "according to Bob".
Bob was not liked by many people that owned Red Devil dogs for sport.
A lot of people felt he was a peddler because he studded Max for 150.00 to anything.
As we all know when you breed for quantity instead of quality like this, you are going to produced a lot of curs.
Vera Frasure had an excellent bitch named Bentley's Suzy-Q (De Cordova/Williams Blood).
Suzie Q was bred to Max twice and both times produced a high percentage of gamedogs.
This is where we got our dog Iron Taffy.
Another good bitch that was bred twice to Max was Wilder's Mitzie.
Mitzie was out of the old Hemphill's Geronimo dog himself!
We got a dog by way of Clyde Mason.
Out of this breeding, was Iron Spike.
For the past few years we have been doing some breeding and from time to time we let out just a few dogs,
just to prove that they are not hand made.
Well, recently we sent a dog down to Florida.
Two of my friends Jimmy and Roy got a male and raised it.
They got a match into a Devine dog, out of Bruce and Fancy.
Jimmy's dog was only 20 months old.
The Devine dog was 3 years old, owned by Larry.
Larry's people were saying Max dogs weren't no good and we were going to prove it.
Well after 1:30 Jimmy won.
The only thing I can figure is that they didn't like Bob Wise, so people judge Max that way.
Remember you judge a dog by himself NOT by his owner.
Oh, by the way, there were two other breeding to Maximillian.
The two bitches were litter mates sisters.
Their names were Polly and Brenda.
The owner and breeder was none other then Frank Creed.
So put this letter in a nut shell, what is good enough for Frank Creed is good enough for me.
This is not to discredit Bob Wise, who I personally like and respect.

YIS,
D.M. Norrod .

(SDJ-1985.)
In the original context and unedited by SDJ or anyone else.
"Iron Mike"

 

Nice read.

 

Thanks man.
Hell it is now appearing all over the Net but not in the context it was wrote.
Never was even in SDJ.
Mayfeild wasn't the only one who's letters got edited a lot!

Hope all is well with you & yours

 

Keep posting em man.

Yea were good man. Been busy around here, working 2 for show and gettin a couple others ready for winter.
When I get a chance I'll call and shoot the shit.
Hope all is well with y'all also.

 

Love reading all these articles. Thanx for posting!

 

so does that gambler dog come from this blood??

 

one of my favorite dogs of all times. great post and agree with others. Always nice reading.

 

Ch Gambler is a cross of it. His top half is redboy and the bottom is off of dogs such as Susie Q, Maximillian, and Mitzie.

 

Good article M. If more folks looked at the immediate dog in question instead of what dogs or what people are behind him, you probably wouldn't have people paper chasing pedigrees or the flavor of the day. That, and if people kept their stock and evaluated it before letting it out to the public if it's the first time they bred two specific dogs. Now where I have I heard that before... Long time no see or speak btw.

 

Great read I.M.

When you get a chance, do you mind posting the controversial story regarding Redboy being an O.F.R.N. dog? The pc that I had all those great stories saved on crashed on me several years ago. This is " Hannibal " from the old Register of Merit board. You may remember me always bragging about my beloved Hannibal...a grandson of Ch. Gambler x Fifth Element.

YIS

 

Nice read, I to believe its all about the bitches

 

glad i didnt pay for the member ship and the pedigree page..lol

 

It already has been:
http://www.game-dog.com/showthread.php?t=12079&page=3&highlight=Red+Devil

I don't care to debate it anymore. People can believe what they want.

BTW I hope everyone caught this and understood the intent.

"Oh, by the way, there were two other breeding to Maximillian.
The two bitches were litter mates sisters.
Their names were Polly and Brenda.
The owner and breeder was none other then Frank Creed.
So put this letter in a nut shell, what is good enough for Frank Creed is good enough for me."

The intent was a rebuttal of any remarks about Max or Red Devil was bred.
This was wrote over 25 years ago. No one had any response then....
Why would the person who bred directly with Joe Corvino, when he bred Birdie to Shorty & others, had dogs for 40 to 50 years,
breed to a dog who wasn't bred as said?
Frank knew they were bred as said, he owned the mother and father at the time of the breeding.
I have the original papers of the breeding at the time it was done.