Protect Yourself Durring Dog Attack

C&L

First of all, the dog that attacked you is a shame for the whole breed and should be destroyed as ALL manbiters should be!
There are no exceptions to this rule!
If it would have attacked me I would get right back with a gun and shoot him on the spot to prevent further incidents.

Second as it is the case within your dog, I would have banned your dog from the ring if it would growl at the judge within a second! And this behaviour in my view ain´t protective! Your dog is bonded to you and in my opinion has no balls as he feels the need to growl in such a situation. The only cause he growled was that he felt support as you had him on the leash to higher his lousy self esteem! The only reason why he shut up when another one is handling him is that he don´t feel confident enough to raise his lousy growl!

What´s wrong with you people in the US?
APBT are growing on trees over there ands you still don´t have the balls to cull your lousy ones!

There´s no excuse to not cull a manbiter!


The reason why the breed one day get extinct is most of all the wrongs and failures from the people who keep and breed them!
If there wouldn´t be that much stupidity arround and only excuses over excuses for false behavior and the lack of culling out the unworthy specimens the breed even won´t have that media attention at all!

If my dog would attack anyone without a proper reason to do so, he would be killed right on the spot without hesitation!

 

I like Floyd's approach, he culled manbiters. Though I might be a little biased since my guy is a Boudreaux. Its just not part of the breed, and breeding that trait into the APBT is what has caused so much bad press. If you want a dog that is super protective of your home and person get a ridgeback. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

 

well, you might be surprised. I agree with benthere on this and i think our views on the whole thing are somewhat alike. you know the whole idea behind the ADBA and AADR shows is to allow a positive outlet for the owners of the breed that enjoy every aspect of the breed, but want to enjoy it without getting into trouble with the law. whos to say because this owner stops showing that dog becasue he/she is no longer able to will resort to criminal behavior with the dog. they already stated that the dog is not allowed to go to that show ever again. i dont think that the whole ADBA or even the AADR is computer networked like that to really put a full stop to that dog from ever being shown again in another state butt IDK. if that was my dog i would stop showing it just because of public humility and be satisfied with the CH title it has earned already. as far as shooting it right on the spot. good luck with that because not everyone would feel like that at a show like that. if it was in the yard ok maybe youd get away with it, but not at a show with alot of people with different views. and i dont know if you been to some shows not saying that im an expert because im still BRAND new to the show scene myself, but there is alot of stimulation going on and for some dogs it is very overwhelming. the whole show thing is not the true standard for the breed its just a positive outlet. the whole thing about a dog jumping at the judge, i could care less and some judges dont care either because they know whats going on and will even place that dog 1st if they like it. the true standard is the box not a show ring or weight pull. in the pit the standard calls for a dog that wont bite anyone in the pit because it needs to go after the dog not so much that the dog needs to be submissive to everyone and anything. i understand why a dog would jump at a judge. the dog is hyped already at the other dogs in the ring and it cant get to the dogs, so it redirects its frustration at the judge. think about what the dog is thinking. its probably asking itself who the fuck is this lady/man standing in front of me looking at me up and down lol. the dog isnt a wimp and its nothing to much at all to me. just like benthere said the very nature of a bulldog is dangerous. its up to the owners to know that. that is the thing that i dont understand. alot of people always say that the standard is for the dog to get along with every person in the world. thats not what i think, its suppose to get along with the owner and the family. the owner was just a dumbass of that dog and the op took the blunt force of the owners ignorance. thats were responsibility comes into play.

 

Very well said hardluck.

 

Jumping on a judge? No growling or snapping or even trying seriously to attack is the matter!
A dog that can´t handle stimulation and frustration properly is just a bad joke nothing more nothing less!
They are dangerous by nature, hell yes! But this attitude should be directed toward other animals and never have to be allowed toward humans! Be satisfied with the Ch. title??????
Hell and if he would shit out pure gold, I personally would have taking that weird ass down within a second and believe me without any regrets!
Excuses after excuses! So honestly within tolerating these dogs and even breeding to it you all are digging your own grave!

 

I guess the no Manbiter rule is Broken long long time Ago (Zebo, Chinaman) and look to eastern Europe, you can feel lucky if you step out of the ring with all your fingers.

But the only way of Protection from an agressive Dog (if it yours) shoot´ em.

 

100 % agree!

 

I do believe that any aggression towards a judge is not appropriate. I do believe that there have been quite a bit more man biters than any of the old timers cared to admit throughout the history of these dogs. Dogmen in general 50, 60 or more years ago were pretty close knit and closed to the general public thus not hearing of the man biters. When the dogs got more mainstream I think the culling of people mean dogs became appropriate to curb some of the negative publicity the dogs were getting. Do I condone dogs that are man biters no as I just had to put one of mine down for that. But like benthere alluded to there are performance dogs that are that way and are used for nothing more than what they are bred for.

 

I could be off base with my assessment but these are just some thoughts I had.

 

performance bred hell yes, people mean hell no!
Excuses over excuses!

 

I am not making excuses.

 

yes the dog did do it ,, seems the guy and his daughter are beeing witch hunted out a little late for this to come up they do a great jod present themselves more properly then most way better myself , kick the dog out of iowa shows and put on probation at the rest of the shows ,, a reminder to all club people the grounds must be walked many times during the day if you think any situation can possibaly happen nip it in the bud then not now

 

mistabonz
sure you did! As all of them guys telling it´s a matter of handling and it´s ok to breed to people mean dogs aswell!
So if we don´t live by some basic rules we also should get rid of selecting our studs and broods, breeding unworthy, sick and untested mutts together and only have to formulate customized excuses for our unwillingness to cull unworthy curs out of our breedings!
There´s no reason to keep a people mean dog, especially not of our breed!
There´s no reason to breed to skittish, mean, shy, sick or cold dogs!
Just keep in mind that if you are violating the simpliest rules you have to pay the price one day!

 

benthere
Even if you do keep performance dogs these rule should also work for you!
I consider it a major fault, like quitting, being cold or being crippled by birth as this doesn´t fit to what these dogs have been bred for!

 

Show me where I agreed it was okay to keep a people mean dog. I even made mention that I just culled one that was a man biter. I did expound on what olrts was saying about the rule being broken. I in fact think that rule was broken by old timers long before Zebo or chinaman for that matter.

 

the only way to see if a dog will bite someone is to actually put that dog into a situation to allow it to which that owner of that dog did. a known HA dog with a record of biting should not be in the public, but a dog that shows no signs of it will also bite without warning. its all in responsibility. i understand that the show should bring a positive light to the breed, but the shows are there for a positive outlet for the owners also. i could see a new dog to the show scene jumping/barking at the judge and all the dogs around, but not that that dog has to leave. it is something that should be worked on though by the owner to stop that behavior. i will say i never had a dog maul someone, that is up to the owner to decide what to do if the city is not already making the decision. there is 2 options in my mind 1 keep it and never let it leave the yard or 2 get rid of it by any means necessary. i just think that the judge issue is being blown out of proportion.

 

benthere,
if you think so.........
But I do agreee we disagree within this topic!

mistabonz
next time I should read more carefully! Apologize for that!

 

In my first post when I eluded that I would cull the dog on the spot. I should of said; as soon as I took it home LOL. I didn't mean in front of God and everyone. Sorry I made it sound so literal.

Benthere; Quote; "It is not the gamebred manbiters owned by serious dogmen that have caused the problems in society. It is the ill-bred curs owned by petbull people that have. That is a fact."
Good post, I agree with this 100%

doginhold;
Quote; "Even if you do keep performance dogs these rule should also work for you!
I consider it a major fault, like quitting, being cold or being crippled by birth as this doesn´t fit to what these dogs have been bred for!"
I am of the exact same mind set as you. There to many good performance dogs that are not man eaters.
When I talk about HA dogs, I don't mean dogs like Chinaman that was know to bite at his handlers hands to let him go. I am talking about a dog like the one in this thread that attacked a human that was no threat, and for no apparent reason.