proper staffs

LOLOLOLOLOLOL Oh man, that just made me laugh. If you'd like to test that theory yourself, you are more than welcomed to fly to China. Bring your best bulldogs because you are going to need it. In China, they have and are still being used in matches since in China, it is legal and is as popular as our Kentucky Derby here. While I'm sure you have a few nicely bred and possibly even performing bulldogs, have yours truly been game tested? Also please continue to read my post on this thread for I shall post a pic of a REAL SHAR PEI, not the mutt you now see before you created by the show ring.

 

I can assure you that they are still being used in their place of origin and I know of a few current dogs that have done quite well, even against our gamedogs.

 

You are correct on your remark of the game sharpeis not suffering from bone or skin problems for you see, the shar peis that most folks are used to are infused with english bulldog blood. Here are some pics of an actual game shar pei.

Seal Colored Shar Pei

Shar Pei with pricked ears, they didn't care for looks, just abilities

 

Shar Pei vs Apbt, old photo taken in the olden days of Hong Kong

 

Shar Pei takes top position over a bulldog

 

Shar pei being matched into an English Bull Terrier

 

Newschool no offence but that first dog looks like its got bull in it down the line

 

None taken no surrender. Here's another picture of the same dog. He has zero apbt blood in him whatsoever.

 

Sounds about right to me.

 

What type of weight do these dogs make

 

15-20 kg is the average weight of the traditional shar pei, though you'll get the occassional 25-30 kg freaks just like you'll get the freaks in the apbt, notably mayday, plumber's alligator, and tudor's gr. ch. black jack jr.

 

for anyone else that's interested, here's a pic of the shar pei of today. It's a shame what the show ring causes huh? First the bulldog, then the shar pei, now the apbt.

 

Tiger, thanks for your response but I don't think I learned my own history off the yanks as you put it. If we look at the physical variety in pitdogs today, don't you think it's stretching it a bit to suggest they are all descended from English dogs? One of the most revered Staffords ever was a dog called PITY ME. He defeated his grandsire in a fight lasting over two hours. He weighed 19 pounds! This was in the 1920s. There were dogs competing in the States at that time 4 times heavier. Other strains from other places played a part in the development of pitdogs in my opinion.

 

I wouldn't exactly say that. The real bull and terrier certainly is a phenomenal athlete and certainly a very game specimen bred under strict and harsh rules by dogmen of yesteryear. However, you'll find that the dogmen of yesteryear has also cultivated an extremely game dog in the land of the rising sun (China, not Japan or India since Tosas and Bully Kuttas are known to be curs and the title of land of the rising sun goes for every asian country). In fact, the dogmen of yesteryears methods of schooling might be seen as cruel or an inefficient method by dogmen of today. They also adhere under similar, albeit different titles and rules. For example, a champion is a dog with 5 wins and a grand champion is a dog with 10 wins. I believe when it comes towards the noble and regal sport of dog matching, the apbt and the traditional shar pei reign side by side.

 

interesting thread but if you ask me there has always been larger and smaller game dogs my great great grandad and his dad and grandad b4 him used to own and breed a few that were just called bull terriers back then early 20s when he lived on staffordshire/derbyshire borders and these dogs were owned by the pitmen that were living in cramped conditions sometimes 2 or 3 families in 1 house and where money was very tight and something like a 60lb dog would be a bit harder to keep but my grandma tells me that each area had its own distinct stamp of dog some were larger alot larger some where more terrier some were a lot bully looking but the dogs that got took to america were generally of the larger stamp as they could turn there hand to almost anything guardian/livestock controller companion fighting dog so then the larger dogs that could be more versatile were bred from but that dont mean there were no larger dogs over her remember them days working class people couldnt carry no dead weight so a dog no good wouldnt be fed so the best dogs were whatever size and weight the best dogs were

 

Historical dogfight Articles from the past
heres a web page stating how some of the best known dog men ever were getting there dogs from pure english and irish dogs and breeding to what were the best out of the dogs from previous generations that were bought over

 

not disputing them sharpei were good but that the best that was there were matched against any bulldog that was over there if i got my point across so anyone can understand it lol

 

buy me a ticket :dogtongue:

 

Historically, people bet BIG money on matches. If there was anything better than a pit bull terrier believe me, that's what would have been used. They wanted the WINNERS, and the cold hard fact is that the pit bull terrier is the pound for pound best combat dog in the history of the world. I'm not doubting sharpeis, it's just that Bull & Terriers are on a whole different level. This is Chess, not Checkers.
like I said I would love to visit China

 

In the past perhaps, but the game has since changed. If you were to travel towards China, Japan, Korea, etc. you'll find that the bets are always against the apbt. In Japan and Korea, it is because the apbt are being matched into much larger dogs such as the akita and tosa. Similarly, this is true in the middle east and elsewhere, with the exception being russia and china. In Russia, the original game bull terriers are the favored dogs and the matches conducted over there tends to be a more even match with dogs being within the same class. Similarly, in China, the dogs also tend to be similar in size and weight so the contest itself is far more even. I am quite unsure of the traditional schooling methods and methods in keeps that are present in Japan, Korea, middle east, or Russia. However, the method of schooling and deeming if a shar pei is worth feeding is quite harsh and while I'm sure you have good dogs on your yard that act right, I doubt yours have been tested for gameness as severe as the dogmen of China conducts towards their shar peis.