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Pre Show Diet

Discussion in 'Sports & Activities' started by RedNoseGurl, Apr 20, 2007.

  1. RedNoseGurl

    RedNoseGurl Big Dog

    Do any of you do a special thing a week before the show..just looking for some last minute ideas....she still needs a good tuck.....were working on it but its just a fun show so im not too worried about it yet lol......any suggestions we are presently doing this for now

    She gets 2 cups of food with 3 oz of protien and 1/2 cup brown rice (all this divided by 2 fed twice daily)

    we run on the mill for an hour in the morn...i do mine beside her LOL
    then we do misc things through out the day....flirt pole....spring pole etc....fetch...swim

    Then at night we do the treadmill again together lol.....for an hour....

    She is fed 1/2 hour after we work out, i give her salmon oil and a energy supplement.....seems to be doing the trick so far....i think im farely happy with where she is....but i know she could be better. She also get apple cider vinagar...works great...on both of us lol.....

    Any tips would be greatly appreciated as i am new to this.....thats why im here to learn ! Oh we have started drag weights as well.....sometimes about maybe once or twice a month we head to the weightpull track for some real practice (its 3 hours away from me up in the mountains)
     
  2. maximusflys

    maximusflys Big Dog

    I would drop the rice.
     
  3. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 CH Dog

    I'm slimming Loki down for some stuff coming up, and I've started including as much raw as I can in her diet. One thing I'd do with the diet you described is be very sparing with the oil. I do olive oil, and while it makes my dog's coat very slick and shiny, it can also make her fat if I give it too often.
     
  4. We start two weeks before a show .
    Depending on your main dog food is key! We use Blackwood 5000 , it's expensive but has no corn by-products and is made of catfish and potatos . it gives a great shiny coat from the fish oils and great carbs.
    We start @ two weeks and feed twice a day. one meal in the morning consists of 1 cup of dog food mixed with 1 cup of bran flakes, mixed with one can tuna(in water) and one cup of no-yoke noodles(cooked).
    The meal in the evening is repeated. We also add 3/4 spoon of Solid Gold's yeast free Seameal with flaxseed meal (mineral and vitamin supplement) to each meal. We do not keep our dogs on heavy chains during this time due to the work out is enough, and they need time for muscles to heal from excersize.
    We mill for 1.5 hours every day and and hand walk 1 mile a morning . we break on the end of the week for one day . the extra healing helps your dog with mass muscle structure developemnt.
    I got this reciepe from a friend with many GR CH's and I am sharing it! all I can say is try it , It works!!
     
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  5. Ella

    Ella Pup

    Olive oil is ok, but I prefer to give salmon oil. I give every other day a little teaspoon of it. My dog also indicates it when I give to much, he really hates the taste of the salmon oil so he leaves his food untouched.

    I personally don't change my food for a show, I feed a raw diet all year round and use as less fillers (like rice) as possible. What I give as a supplement and what I found as the best supplement possible is Spirulina. I'm not sure how it's called in the USA, but it's a sort of seawead.
     
  6. Scotsman

    Scotsman Top Dog

    A straight hour on the mill is way to much, you should do 15mins on a 15min walk then another 15mins on the mill then another 15min walk. Then add in some road work and flirt and spring pole work.
    For a fun show you shouldn't have to worry about some crazy diet. Why are you carb loading a dog that is never going to use them? Just a cutting the feed a bit, adding some Creatine w/ Glutamine and doing some road work is all I've ever done for a fun show.
     
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  7. 14rock

    14rock GRCH Dog

    You are competitive with a two week keep in the conformation ring?
     
  8. RedNoseGurl

    RedNoseGurl Big Dog

    She does a pretty heavy workout i was told she needed the carbs. The rice would help her coat along with the fish oils etc.

    She gets glutamine after every workout.

    Really 1 hr is too much ? She seems ok ...but every opinion is greatly appreciated....i just want to go there with her in the best conditioned shape i can get her and then get more help when im there....i dont want to go there with a meedy-oker dog knowing she is fat and get help when i already know she is fat lol.

    I knew some people do pre show things just wanted to know what they did.....so you think cut the rice ?
     
  9. RedNoseGurl

    RedNoseGurl Big Dog

    This was her before.....60 lbs


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    This is her now...she needs more of a tuck im working on it....

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    Im proud of my progress so far she is now 49 lbs lighter...more active etc...she's a whole new dog ! I had alot of help along the way !
     
  10. PorsA

    PorsA Big Dog

    that dog realy looks different in those pics. Looks good. But did you do this in two week keep?
     
  11. Scotsman

    Scotsman Top Dog

    She looks better, but she isn't cut enought. Yeah drop the carbs like I said you are carb loading a dog that isn't going to use them. Dropping the carbs will help to get her cut looking. Also I would have used Creatine and then dropped it a few days before the show.
     
  12. palooka

    palooka Premium Member Premium Member

    you could maybe try just feeding once a day, i think its a more natural way of feeding a dog. here's a short article you's might find interesting

    WHY YOUR DOG NEEDS TO FILL ITS STOMACH ON A REGULAR BASIS


    BY MOGENS ELIASEN






    Most dog owners, who love their dogs, try to extend as much TLC to them as they can. However, when they assume that what is good for them is also good for the dog, they make some terrible mistakes…. Dogs do not have monkey stomachs!

    Some anatomic facts to consider:
    A dog’s stomach is elastic, like an accordion. When empty, it folds to what almost appears to be an intestine. When it gets filled, it can contain as much as 7-8% of the dog's body weight! (For a human weighing 120 pounds, this would correspond to eating 10 pounds in one meal - but a human stomach is a bag with almost no elasticity -it simply cannot do more than about 10% of this…)

    Further, the dog's stomach is full of small glands that produce digestive enzymes. These glands start to work when they get in contact with food. This will happen for some of them immediately as the dog gets some food in the stomach, but because of the folding nature of the stomach, most of those glands do not get to touch food, unless the stomach gets filled so that all the folds are stretched out!

    An amazing consequence of this is that the dog's digestion process is more efficient when it gets a large meal! Dogs that are being fed almost exclusively "full meals" (= meals that fill the stomach), generally need some 20-30% less food than dogs that are being fed many smaller meals. (This is exactly the opposite of what would be true for a human stomach...)

    The ultimate carnivore experience:
    Dogs, like other carnivores, do not rely on having food available all the time. In fact, when they have a full stomach or recently had one, they don't even bother looking to the side of a possible prey. Instead, they feed very irregularly – when food is available, and they have hunting success. At such times, they gorge and fill themselves - and there is no discussion possible that they thoroughly enjoy doing that!

    Many people also experience that when they have difficulty getting the dog to eat something new, a simple way to get it to eat it is to first give it a little of what you know they like -then it will eat almost anything after that to fill the stomach! This illustrates that filling the stomach is more important to a dog than just "getting a little bite".
    Yet, most domestic dogs never get to experience this satisfying fulfillment of having a full stomach.


    Keeping the dog constantly starving:
    Few dog owners want to starve their dog or to keep it constantly hungry. Nevertheless, this is what most people end up doing when they feed their dog multiple daily meals, assuming that this is just as good for a dog as it is for a human.

    An adult dog needs an amount of food in average per day that is about 2-3% of its body weight. Considering that it takes 6-8% to fill the stomach, there is just no way that the average dog will ever get to experience the satisfying fulfillment of having a full stomach… With 2-3 small meals per day, it will remain very far from that objective!


    Changing the feeding pattern:
    Now, you cannot just immediately let a dog fill its stomach, if it has never been used to this. It would be dangerous (risk of bloat because the muscle tissue is far too weak from never having been exercised). Doing it with kibble is, of course, completely out of the question too – since the kibble is far too concentrated.

    Also, when you ultimately feed your dog as much as it wants in one meal, you cannot feed it more than 3-4 meals per week!

    However, when you do this, you will see the "food searching" behavior disappears, and you will see that your dog will gain weight if it is too skinny or it will lose weight if it is too fat.

    You have an important hurdle to overcome before you can safely let your dog eat full meals 3-4 times a week - in addition to your own human-based emotions:

    . You must train the stomach muscles to handle the greater volume of a meal. It is like training a broken leg for skiing after getting the cast off... Do it gradually over a period of at least 3 months, preferably 6. (Please refer to my article on Conditioning if you need help with this.)

    I know the concept of feeding only 3-4 times per week sounds brutal - but seriously: it isn't. My dogs have been fed this way for more than 30 years, and I tell you: they enjoy their meals!!! But they also enjoy the time between the meals. I have never had a problem with weight -it regulates itself on an individual basis. I have helped literally hundreds of my students to do the same, and they all report the same great results.... not a single exception!

    Mogens Eliasen
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  13. Scotsman

    Scotsman Top Dog

    Problem is if you are working a dog twice a day you need to feed the dog twice a day to replace the protien, minerals and vitamins used up during the workout. It is like anyone trying to gain muscle mass or maintain mass you need to keep the body supplied with the building blocks so that it can repair and build up.
    In the artilce the author is comparing a domestic dog to a wild dog or wolf, whose body is used to long durations between meals and gorging on food when it is found.
    This thread is about about a diet when working a dog, try feeding a dog in a keep 3-4 x a week and see how fast you ended up with a bag of bones, if your dog doesn't stop working before then.
     
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  14. RedNoseGurl

    RedNoseGurl Big Dog

    No i did not do this in 2 weeks.....i dont think i stated that anywhere....lol..i work more than full time and have a 18 month old son....this took me 12 weeks to be exact....over 12 weeks now......of getting up at 5am while he slept.....staying up late when he went to bed (my son) ....it was hard at times but thats why im proud....i got "friends"" who have no kids and say they cant get there dog into shape....whatever lol...i know they arent trying. Im not super mom but im damn near close lol....

    Ok well ill cut the carbs...thats a very good article....there is a no grain/no fat kibble i can substitute with ....im just excited....im out there doing my thing and i couldnt be happier....but i agree she could be more ripped im just having problems getting that....i seem to be stuck where i am.

    A little glitch in the diet and some more exercise and i think i can get her there.
     
  15. RedNoseGurl

    RedNoseGurl Big Dog

    i was told not to use creatine at first cos she was really fat and it would add water weight ? or something like that...i can add it now....is this something before or after her workout/meal ?




     
  16. jaystreetsA4

    jaystreetsA4 Top Dog

    glad to see you've found a passion thats healthy for you and yourbulldog. beauitful bulldog as well.:D
     
  17. Scotsman

    Scotsman Top Dog

    It will add water weight, no biggie, that is the purpose of Creatine.
    Creatine will help the muscles recover faster and allows for longer workouts. You can stop the Creatine a few days before the show and she'll get ride of the water weight without much problem.
     
  18. jadedpitgirl

    jadedpitgirl Top Dog

    Ang, Justice is looking much better. You poor thing, you have been stuck for a while now haven't you:o Personally, I still think you are feeding her too much. I would cut out the rice and cut down on the protein. I'll find a link here for you to show the proper amount of raw for weight. You just put in your dog's weight and then it tells you how much you should be feeding.
    Anyway, I think you should put her on an axle set up with a mid-weight chain. Leave her out there and let her get used to it. Maybe set her out there after the tread mill to let her rest...once she gets used to it, alternate her with a heavier chain...My girl Tater was fat for her fun show in Jan. 18 and with some tips from the judge, we had her ready for the next show, March 3. I added some ACV to her food and water. Changed the water morning and nite and added ACV each time. I cut back her dry food and added mackeral(2-3 times a week) and ACV to it. Every other night, I took away her dry kibble and gave her some raw meat. Usually beef. Occasionally, I would feed 2 raw chicken leg quarters. I would put Tater on a heavy chain for 3 days and then light chain for 2. We did long walks with her on a 30 ft lead. This way, she can run around a bit on the walks. I have a large hill on my property that is about 2 stories high. We would run up the steep side of the hill and also slowly walk the trail down the hill. We didn't really do much more than what we do every day anyway. This is why it's important to keep your dog at a nice, lean weight all the time. Conditioning is easier on a dog who is not obese.
    Here are some before and afters of Tater with around a month and a half of work.
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  19. RedNoseGurl

    RedNoseGurl Big Dog

    Thanx scotsman....ill try that for the real show cos the fun show is in 2 days now.


    Jaded always there when i need you....ive just been posting this everywhere....taking everyone's opinions and working something out.

    I did go out and get a chain set up.....it works great she was even all over the spring pole 2 weeks later....lol...im like let me take that chain off lol....

    Ive cut out all rice...all carbs basically..ill wait for that link that you have....you can email it to me or post it up on one of the boards lol...ill shoot you an email later tonight when i get off work....

    i dont even care if i win.....im not doing this for breeding purposes...just trying to be involved.....i could walk away knowing the judges said she was an ugly beast id still smile cos i had fun working mah beast !


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  20. jadedpitgirl

    jadedpitgirl Top Dog

    Ang, this is what it's all about. Having fun with your dog! Here is a link to a great site: Raw Dog Ranch She breaks everything down for you, with pictures too, LOL.

    Raw Food Calculator Ang, this one even has an option for pounds or kilos;) Scroll all the way down to get to the calculator.....
     

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