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poe award

Discussion in 'Dog Shows & Events' started by phill, Jun 14, 2012.

  1. phill

    phill Top Dog

    i'm posting it here beeing it is 100% about showing dogs and the adba long over due i'll add , gives you new goals i don't understand all of it i do have 4 champions from a dog that died a few years ago does this get him a poe award ?,,, i read the gazette i still don't understand it all
     
  2. phill

    phill Top Dog

    or how many out of the 4 have to make grand champion ? brings another question to my mind can someone explain the point system for both regular and split champion of champions class ? i heard when split witch i like you get 10 points for first another 5 for the cup i think what about the 2nd and 3rd's from both male and females and the other 1st place dog ? can't rember exactly what a friend said or if i understood it correctly but it sounded like someone gets screwed again i do like the split class i was there when the discussion was first braught up at the convention and it caused a small bitchin session myself liked keeping it the same now i wouldn't have it anyother way
     
  3. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Staff Member

    Show and Weight Pull
    Producer of Excellence (P.O.E.)


    Producer Of Excellence (P.O.E.)

    The Producer Of Excellence title will be awarded to a sire that has accumulated 12 (P.O.E.) points and a dam that has accumulated 8 (P.O.E.) points. P.O.E. points are earned for each Champion or Grand Champion and Ace or Ace of Ace dog produced. (direct offspring only). In the case that a dog’s offspring has both a Conformation and Weight Pull title, the offspring can be listed in both sections of the application and earn points in both categories.

    • 1 point will be earned for a direct offspring with a Champion or Ace title.
    • 2 points will be earned for a direct offspring with a Grand Champion or Ace of Ace title regardless of degree of the title.
    Common questions concerning the Producer Of Excellence (P.O.E.)

    Q. Who can apply for the P.O.E. title on a dog?
    A. The owner of the dog, or a person owning offspring of the dog in question can apply for the verification of the P.O.E. title. The P.O.E. certificate will only be mailed to the current owner of record with the American Dog Breeders Association.

    Q. What is the charge to do this?
    A. $20.00 for verification, mailing& handling of the Producer Of Excellence certificate sent to the current owner.

    Q. My stud dog has produced a G/C II and G/C III. How many P.O.E. points does he get for these two offspring?
    A. 2 points for each Grand Champion (G/C) or ACE Of ACE (A/A). The degree of the G/C or A/A does not earn addition P.O.E. points.

    Q. My brood bitch is deceased but produced four CHs and one G/C II. Can I get a P.O.E. title on her?
    A. All dogs living or deceased producing offspring with conformation or weight pulling titles with the ADBA are eligible for the Producer Of Excellence (P.O.E.) title. Stud dogs must earn twelve (12) P.O.E. points and brood matrons must achieve eight (8) points for this award. With the above mentioned offspring, your brood bitch would have six (6) P.O.E. points. Four points for the four CH offspring and two points for the one G/C II offspring. When two of her four CH offspring complete their G/C title, she would have the additional two (2) points that she would need for her P.O.E. title.

    Q. My stud dog produced a son with a CH and A/A II title. How many P.O.E. points would my stud earn for this son?
    A. Your stud dog would get three (3) points for this son. One (1) for the CH and two (2) for the A/A title.

    Q. How will the Producer Of Excellence (P.O.E.) title be reflected on ADBA pedigrees?
    A. Once the title is recorded in the ADBA office, all further pedigrees will indicate this title with the P.O.E. behind the dogs registered name. An example would be Caldwell’s “G/C Boogieman” P.O.E.

    Q. I have a brood bitch that produced some great dogs 20 years ago. Can I apply to have the verification done on her offspring for the P.O.E. award.?
    A. Yes – regardless of how long ago, as long as the offspring were titled competing in ADBA sanctioned conformation and weight pulling events, the ADBA will be able to complete the verification.

    American Dog Breeders Association
     
  4. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Staff Member

    ADBSI POINT BREAKDOWN FOR CONFORMATION
    Puppies 4 - 12 months Adults 12 month - 5 yrs & over
    1st - 5 pts. 1st - 10 pts.
    2nd - 3 pts. 2nd - 5 pts.
    3rd - 2 pts. 3rd - 3 pts.
    If your dog places over ten dogs in its class, then
    You earn the following points.
    Puppies (10+ dogs) Adults (10+dogs)
    1st - 8 pts. 1st - 15 pts.
    2nd - 5 pts. 2nd - 8 pts.
    3rd - 3 pts. 3rd - 5 pts.

    Trophy awards Ch of Champion Class
    Best Puppy - 10 pts. Ch of Ch cup - 15 pts.
    Best of Opp. Sex - 10 pts. 2nd place - 10 pts.
    Best of Show - 15 pts. 3rd place - 5 pts.

    POINT BREAKDOWN FOR WEIGHT PULL
    Regular Class Trophy Awards
    1st place - 8 pts. MWPP 55 lbs & Under 10 pts.
    2nd place - 5 pts. MWPP 55 lbs & Over 10 pts.
    3rd place - 3 pts.

    Ace of Ace Class Trophy Awards
    1st place - 10 pts. MWPP 55lbs and under - 15 pts.
    2nd place - 7 pts. MWPP 55lbs and over - 15 pts.
    3rd place - 4 pts.

    Once a dog has achieved 100 points in either the conformation or weight pull, it is given a “champion” or “ace” title. A certificate is mailed to the registered owner reflecting the title dog has achieved. For each additional 100 points earned (i.e. 200, 300, 400, 500, etc.) Another title is given. Example: grand champion, grand champion i, grand champion ii, etc. Or Ace of Ace, Ace of Ace I, Ace of Ace II, etc. When your dog has earned 200 points, a plaque will be presented to recognize your dog’s achievement. G/C I or A/A I and higher are also presented with a plate that is to be hung from the grand champion plaque, showing the additional titles achieved. Dogs that accumulate points toward titles from January 1st through July 31st will be presented an award at the ADBSI nationals. Dogs that accumulate points toward titles from September 1st through December 31st will be presented an award at the annual adba convention. Invitations notifying you of your dog’s title achievement will be mailed to you prior to the event. If you are unable to attend the convention or nationals to receive your award, it will be mailed to you.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------NATIONALS POINT BREAKDOWN
    CONFORMATION POINTS - PUPPIES
    Regular points If you place over 10 dogs
    1st - 8 points 1st - 12 points
    2nd - 5 points 2nd - 8 points
    3rd - 3 points 3rd - 5 points
    CONFORMATION POINTS - ADULTS
    Regular Points If you place over 10 dogs
    1st - 15 points 1st - 22 points
    2nd - 8 points 2nd - 12 points
    3rd - 5 points 3rd - 7 points
    Show Finalists Champion Class
    Best Puppy - 15 points 1st Place - 22 points
    Best of Opp. Sex - 15 points 2nd Place - 15 points
    Best of Show - 20 points 3rd Place - 7 points
    Weight pull points
    1st - 12 points
    2nd - 8 points
    3rd - 5 points
    Trophy awards
    MWPP 55 LBS & Under - 20 points
    MWPP 55 LBS & Over - 20 points
     
  5. phill

    phill Top Dog

    hey 3m sorry i was up allnight moving out conan obrian i read the above a bit i didn't see split class champ info like if a male gets the cup what do the 2nd and 3rd place champ males get and what would the 1st 2nd and 3rd place female champ get ohh i opened my eyes a bit more there it is thanks 3m
     
  6. phill

    phill Top Dog

    i understand the poe now i guess i was asking last gazette they showed 2 poe award dogs i thaught the dogs produced 3 champs and 1 gr ch to recive the title i am recalling i gave the issue to the vet girls
     
  7. phill

    phill Top Dog

    adding it up i'll have a hard time poe'ing the old male thats father or grandfather to everything here but i can work on his offspring he speaks for himself with no award ,, wish this was invented around 2007 i made the mistake of placeing dogs with the wrong people had this been there at the time we'd have him his poe title ,, BIG LESSON LEARNED OVER HERE DON'T MAKE MY MISTAKE PLACE OR SELL YOUR DOGS TO THE SHOW GOOERS YOU MEET AT THE ADBA COMPITIONS BUT NOT AT THE EVENT THOES ARE THE RULES
     
  8. phill

    phill Top Dog

    i dog person just told me and i do agree with him ,, my dogs are unproven he's right but i'm happy with my personal goals it's the poe award and yes the dogs listed in the gazette conformation rankings and the top 25 champ in the world if we did more breedings with we're not gonna it only causes trouble we might be able to produce the top breeder award ,, for myself this dogshow thing is all about personal goals through the dogs all the credit goes to the dogs and sonny ,, would the dogs and sonny get more credit in a different ring yes they would almost everyone who had theese dogs didn't do what i do and most don't have any anymore we're happy makein sure there here forever if your like us dogs that you can't buy will end up in your lap for free it's that easy
     
  9. Backroad

    Backroad Big Dog

    Free dogs in my lap!!! LOL
     

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