Pit Bull Owners Defend Breed After Dog Fighting Bust

JACKSONVILLE, N.C. - Tuesday’s dog fighting bust is just the latest incident surrounding the controversial breed.

These pit bulls were trained to fight and now face an uncertain future.

People who own the breed say that’s not their nature.

One group is determined to prove that image isn’t everything.

A whiff and a sniff—just like any other dog.

Only these are the much maligned pit bull.

Their owners say they are just like any other dog.

“They’re full of life, full of fun,” said Lee Nolan, founder of The Guardians Pit Bull Owners Club. “They’re hilarious to watch.“

Lee Nolan started The Guardians Pit Bull Owners Club two years ago, in part to change the way people think about the breed.

The problem is dog fighting busts like the one in Duplin County and a few months ago in Greene County involved pit bulls—dogs that were trained to attack.

“It hurts a lot because these dogs are wonderful animals and I hate to see anything happen to them,“ said Samantha Tye, a pit bull owner and trainer.

It’s not clear what will happen to the pit bulls recovered in the Duplin County dog fighting bust.

These fans of the breed say they deserve a second chance.

“They’re naturally born to be a protector,” Nolan said. “So, you’re brainwashing the dog to be a fighter, to fight for its life all the time. So, it’s always on that fight or flight, do or die, kill or be killed mode.“

Dog trainers like Samantha Tye say pit bulls trained to fight can change their behavior.

However, it takes time.

Up to a year and a half and there are no guarantees.

“I’ve had dogs that have been fighting dogs that are terrified of everything, just sit in a corner and cower because they’re just, they were destroyed,“ Tye said.

In the world of pit bulls, there are lovers and there are fighters.

While technically the same species, they can be a breed apart.

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omg seriously?? i know these arent neccecarily your views Alma dont take anything i say in this personal

 

Ppl like this, i like to reffer to as sleeping with the enemy. These ppl are equaly as dangerous for this breed and thier community as any AR group or goverment. As they spread misconceptions and false information.

 

Couldn't have said it better. I have always hated the phrase "trained to fight". It insinuates that if there is no "training", then they won't want to fight, which is obviously often NOT the case. Of course, it is a catch 22 - if you acknowledge this fact, then John Q. Public will say "they are inherently viscious and killers just waiting to attack and are a danger to society":rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :mad::mad::mad:

 

Pit Bulls are, pound for pound, one of the toughest breeds that can easily be made into fighting dogs. To have the gall to say that it is their nature is one of the biggest fantasies about the breed that I have heard or seen in a long time.

It is easy to delude one's self into believing this belief if you have money running in the fighting. It isn't the human that is being hurt, maimed or victimized with this violence it is the dogs that have to suffer the reputation that these backwoods' bozos would give them with this sentiment.

It is obvious that socialization of the dogs under these circumstances is nil. If these people think that the push for better understanding of the breed means that they can continue their discreditable conduct then they should give their heads a shake and realize that that isn't going to happen.

You are the bad owners that people talk about and use as their excuses for the assassination of the breed by easily scared, non-dog owners with kids. The depraved attitude displayed by trying to suggest that it is in the dog's nature to fight is fallacious at best. People like this, in a perfect world, should be given toothless dogs so that they can spend their time watching these dogs gum each other into oblivion. The only blood that they will see will be from the chafed gums.

 

:dramacorn:This otta be good.

 

Kenslofts thoughts on this subject, is at least that of the majority of the population of reasonable dog owners. He has been on this site for some time now. I suggest that many on the site should wake up to the fact that they are in a small minority and focus on the information needed for educational purposes, and stop spewing ideas that are not generally excepted. This will benefit the few who wish to continue with the open forums.

 

So why is it that rescuers and pet bull owners have a motto of crate and rotate if its not an inborn trait to fight. see we are not saying that ONLY bulldogs fight. all we are saying is for the most part they do it very efficiently and they dont wanna stop once they start. all dogs fight all ANIMALS fight. some do it better and some dont wanna stop until the job is done. how do you think the term natural selection came to be?Stupid.

 

Ken, you are going to have to break this down for me lol.

 

wow, first pitbulls have been selectively bred to fight for the past 200 - 400 years and only an idiot would suggest that selective breeding for that length of time would leave us with a dog like any other . second thing is this idea that pitbulls are trained to fight,my own view is that this is overwhelming the case in the modern era of the wannabe dog man .the huge amount of cruelty cases or dogs in shelters should tell you their is a serious problem with the ownership of this breed in general. the percentage of true game dogs in the hands of knowledgeable owners is tiny compared to the amount of pitbulls with a hightend prey drive in the hands of demented retarded idiots in low class communities .i agree with budboy88 that you cant train a pitbull to fight as such and it is in their nature to do so but it doesnt stop idiots from using bait animals, gun powder, roids, and what ever else these idiots can come up with to make a dog fight .

 

i guess that those folks are so used to non fighting petbulls that to them this is the true apbt..

then some day they take theyr petbull in dog park, there is a fight in the dog park and guess who's dog will be blamed..the real pitbull

 

so true.they are what they are.dont understand,why force a fight when the next will do it cause its nautral.ether there hot or cold.we cant ignore the facts,they do what they are breed for and the enjoy it.keeping it a secret,saying the owners (had) to train and force them to fight will only put more apbt's in the hands of blind minds and hurt the breed in the long run.

 

Fight?

I recall an incident where Zeus was fast asleep at my feet in a restaurant when another older dog came in and attacked him. With all the speed and alacrity that are the breed's renown the other dog was put down by Zeus.

There was great growling and noise which brought everbody's focus to the two dogs on the floor in the aisle. There was Zeus with his paws on the other dog's shoulders holding it down to the ground. His face was in the other dog's face but looking at it one could see that Zeus was talking to the other dog as if to say that if you move I'll tear you another asshole. He didn't chew up the other dog, he growled in its face The growls were dog talk. The other dog never attempted that again. It was at this point that I realized how intelligent he was. Bad ass enough to do damage but empathetic enough to not want to hurt other dogs.

His joy was playing and romping with other dogs, No matter how big or small, no matter what the breed, fun and run was the order of the day.

To say that the dog never got into a fight is a fatuous statement. He never started fights but as sure as the sun comes up in the morning he would let his adversary know that it had picked on the wrong dog to do battle with. The stupid, larger adversaries were usually dogs that were off their leashes in voice command of their owners whom were, usually, on the other side of the park. Tail between their legs, they fled long before the owners would arrive to offer their apologies. All this and Zeus was still on his leash. Once the other dog fled he didn't give chase. Just shrugged his shoulders and went back to being the playful dog he was.

This would happen several times a year. That is why he would be kept on the leash. I wasn't afraid of his being hurt. It was the other way around.

Both his mother and father were pure bred with papers. His mother was a British Staffordshire and his father was an American 'Di Maggio' Staffordshire Pit Bull.

One question that was posed often was, "How are you going to train him?":dogkiss: What are you going to get him to be? After a couple of months of this train of thought I answered their query.

"I think I'll bring him up to be a dog." I think we accomplished that. I had great pride in his nature of doing bullies. Understanding his nature meant that there wasn't a lot of fighting. Amongst his friends he could be off-leash. If a new dog came in to play I would make sure that the other dog wasn't foolhardy enough to attack the happy Staff. From the Pomeranian to the Great Dane he was a friend. Attacking his friends was a no-no.

 

Ken, that is with one dog. They are not all like zeus. Is that old dog still with you? It's been awhile since we have chatted on this site.

 

Zeus is dead. Contracted some disease and died before he could be treated. It was heart-breaking. He was a great friend and companion. There is a reluctance to get another based on my age and not needing to have it become another rescue. It hasn't stopped me from protecting the breed from ignorance. His brothers and sister are still in peril. However, this is the realm of the PM.

It was, as was said, a situation that occurred several times a year.

He taught me a lot. He taught me that they were working dogs, He did this by taking me out twice a day, or more if he could pull it off, and pull me around the neighbourhood while he went from pillar to post smelling and leaving his P-mail. Before you go off about domination let's remember that there was one boss and it was I. He could have been trained to stop but this was his nature.

Just walking with him would mean that in an instant I would be running with him so, in order to compensate, I learned to lean back making it harder for him to get me running which I ceased to do because of this posture. Him tugging like hell and me leaning back. We took the shape of a triangle while walking down the street. I quite enjoyed it because, as one person, who was a nurse, noted, that she realized that I was getting passive exercise. I smiled. Person and animal working together. Nature paying off.

For years the popular refrain from breed haters has been it is a Pit BUll brought up to fight in pits. This is absolute nonsense. It is the interpretation of a simple mind to a complex idea.

Knowing that Staffordshire is renowned for its coal and iron deposits it is not hard to see these dogs helping in pulling carts in the mines. The breed loves it. Put that pit in your pipe and smoke it.

In talking about nature, these dogs are Terriers which means that they are natural-born ratters. You can definitely understand that they would be in and around the rat-infested mine shafts.

That they are born fighters belies the reality of children being give "Stuffies" as nannies. Think Petey.

Walking behind Zeus opened that concept to my mind. He loved to do it. I loved to do it. Geology and resources dictate that the breed had more uses than simply fighting for the pleasure of fighting to entertain their owners. Somewhere in history this aspect has been lost, obfuscated or ignored.

 

No need for name calling. Guess it isn't too hard to see which side of the fence that you are on. Can guess the socializing routines that you use aren't the same as people that repect and love this breed for what they are and not for what they can be made into through the diligent work of people hell-bent on making money or being entertained with violence being vicarioiusly lived by the owners while they watch the dogs savaging each other. You can take the dog out of nature but you can't take the nature out of the dog.

Your train of thought is in the vast minority in the world. According to the Good Book (buddhism is my religion but good things are good things) man was given dominion over the animals. Dominion does not mean domination. Dominion means leading and using. Not abusing! Keep an animal caged up and it will do everything in its power to escape.

Keeping people terrified in your concept of how things are does the breed no good.:dogkiss:

 

congratulations you have just been laced wit game! lol

 

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Exactly. This is why I hate most of the petbull "pit bull advocates."

 

I didn't come here to fight but to say my piece about how I and many millions of others perceive them to be.

One of the first rules that is broken by a losing debate is to take apart your opponents statements, rebut them with lies made to seem to be based on truth and then walk away in a huff. You seem to have captured that very well.

It is nice that you do this because you draw out the issue by showing all the readers that you are clinging to straws in the hopes of saving yourself after your boat has gone down in the middle of the ocean. You may see yourself one way but many others see you as you are. A person that would avoid reality because they would rather believe their wrong is right.

The very fact that you admit that your dogs are not socialized speaks volumes about the abuse that they are put through by you and your friends. Not socializing them is abuse. You can claim that they are socialized with humans but that is hiding from the fact that they are being held hostage and not allowed to be the animals that they are and that is being a dog. The breed already is considered to be human friendly. Your facade of doing it right is a facade and nothing else. It is empty rhetoric so that you can maintain your fantasy.

Still with all your bravado you didn't answer the most pertinent points about the breed and that is why they were originally bred. Rather than get into the nitty-gritty you start name-calling and then try to deceive others into believing your take on life and how these animals should be treated through trying to skew your adversary's debating points. They should not be handled the way that you do.

As to the fantasy that you seem to have about how people in the city live with their animals? It might do well in a fairy tale. When the dog wanted to go out he made it clear to me that I should get up and out of the house so that he could do his thing. It is abundantly clear that in your realm keeping them caged up is the better answer.

I can prove my points. You can't prove yours. Stick to the issue and replace the bluster with facts proving or disproving the assertions in my statement.

Your rationale is dependent on fear and loathing of the breed by those that don't own these dogs. Don't try and paint a picture of me to suit your purposes because anyone that knows me or knows of me knows that it is the furthest thing from the truth.

What you don't seem to get is that I love the breed. Not for what they can do for me but for what they are.

As to your final statement you said it wrong. It should be, "You have been laced by a witless, wannabe gamer." You, by your actions, are causing the deaths of countless dogs just so you can watch the savagery of dogs being forced to fight for their lives. It is a pathetic outlook on life.

Rather than the histrionics how about getting back to the issue of why people would give their children "Stuffies" as nannies? This point seems to be entirely at odds with your view of the world and the born to fight mentality that dominates your thinking and thought processes.

Please give answers and do not sink to the low levels that you have brought into the debate. :dogkiss:

Oh? I love the doggy-lick smilie because it reminds me of how my dog treated people and animals.