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Pedigree or breeder which matters more?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by magnoilaotis, Dec 1, 2009.

  1. BEHAVIN

    BEHAVIN Top Dog

    yeh, problem is people do post it, don't they.
    and in general i am talk'n about this for the perpose of the greenhorns Bud:eek:
    wtf, do you think id buy anything from anyone posting their stuff on the net, get real lol...
    ps, ive no need to further puchase any.
    i can appreciate wardogs kennels gaurantee but man, i was not in the dogs to sell them so have no need to make gaurantees neither.
    you want to buy one from me?.fark off lol....
    would i give one to someone i know? if i thought it was a good one, maybe.:rolleyes:
    if i told that person he would be a good one and he didnt turn out, then yes, id give him another.

    mr. futuristic, ya want'a drink mate, no problem, c'mon over and we will have a few brew's and talk dogs.;)
     
  2. mr.futuristic

    mr.futuristic Big Dog

    im down with the drinks behavin, your treat wright lol. im with you on not needing to buy dogs because im at the same point where as i have the worthy stock to breed off myself. i dont question a win record for the purpos of buying if id might like 2 race if the circumstances are there. an im not going to call out net doggers to a pull it will be known adba comp. word of mouth if you will. wasnt meaning anything by my statement on your words just was touching in on what you left out. real recognize real i see you over there. take it easy:cool:.
     
  3. All about Pits

    All about Pits Big Dog

    Breeder the person that made and created the pedigree for that dog
     
  4. BEHAVIN

    BEHAVIN Top Dog

    my shout, no probs mate, cheers;)
     
  5. Jelet

    Jelet Banned

    The breeder is more important.

    Just because dogs have the same/similar pedigree, it does not always mean that they are equal in producing well and have the same performance. And if you know the breeder , you can know why he is breeding/what he is breeding for... (gameness,mouth,etc.)

    And you will know the breeders past breedings, if he had success with the dogs that were produced and such;to see if the breeder has a clue to what he is doing when breeding the dogs.

    And also people can scam and sell a pretty looking pedigree on paper that is all lies to the dogs that he is selling. (If you dont really know the breeder...)

    So thats why I say breeders are more important. Of course both are important, but breeders>pedigree IMO
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 4, 2009
  6. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ CH Dog

    Hell, I think that's damn good. When's your next litter droppin?
     
  7. wardogkennels

    wardogkennels CH Dog

    Thanks! Not alot of people now a days will stand behind their stuff!


     
  8. Dreamer

    Dreamer Big Dog

    WHY would a dog breeder, wanting to IMPROVE a breed, want to do anything to falsify or mislead someone on a pedigree?

    Pedigrees are a look into history, what worked, what didn't.

    I don't hear much about falsified pedigrees in other performance animals. The pedigrees are revered and considered an important link in the history of a breed -- for all to see and study for years to come.

    Why would anyone want to deny that to the history of their breed?

    Thoroughbreds, all kinds of working dog breeds -- I don't hear this same stuff about THEIR pedigrees....why THIS breed?

    Dreamer
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 6, 2009
  9. masta of game

    masta of game Banned

    dont forget about me mate, pepsi for me though lol i dont drink lol
     
  10. PurePit19

    PurePit19 CH Dog

    There are breeders who strive to improve the line and there are breeders who strive to improve there wallets. A breeder who needs money will tell you anything just to make the sale. Any breeder with a decent amount of dog knowledge can tell a greenhorn right from the first conversation, he'll ask questions about different lines and different dogs in history to see what the buyers knowledge base is. If the buyer has a very low knowledge base of the breed, then your a sitting duck, and must rely on the integrity and honesty of the breeder to sell you a good product.
    The reason we see it in these dogs so much is because its one of the few breeds that are still used for working purposes and competition. Now factor in the fact that we have no publications to verify what dogs are winning in any competition. It gives way to people who lie because in case you dont know the right people, you have no prove of accomplishments or lack there of.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 7, 2009
  11. madboy

    madboy Big Dog

    l really got to go with Mr Futuristic,cause lets face it .........when you go for a fancy "ped"......you would have to be pretty darn stupid to not look, up down left right and way back for false names and titles. Personally l wouldn't go for hand written ped,only if the breeder was related to me.I dont know the way it works in the usa these days,but the country l come from the "apbt is a petbull" without adba/ukc ped. LOL
     
  12. TheVictor22

    TheVictor22 CH Dog

    the breeder matters more hands down.

    Vic
     
  13. kgip2

    kgip2 Pup


    Where you at? and can I put a couple pups or dogs on lay away?
     
  14. wardogkennels

    wardogkennels CH Dog

    Lol, I am in Erie, PA. Not sure if you are just messing with me but I will take the bait. If someone that wanted to buy a pup from me and didn't have all the money, yes, I would take payments. As long as it didn't take to long to pay it off. I remember the guy I bought my first good dog from. His name was Joe D. I made payments totalling a $1000 for a 6 month old grandson of Bell's Baby Jones. I was lucky because he let me take the pup home and care for it while I gave him $200/month. He became my mentor and I learned about half of what I know now from him and I will never forget the lessons he taught me. What he taught me was worth its weight in gold!
     
  15. masta of game

    masta of game Banned

    its the breeder , for me the breeder is the pedigree lol
     
  16. malakimax

    malakimax Big Dog

    It looks like I'm going to disagree with most here, but if your looking for great dogs then the pedigree is more important than the breeder. What does it matter if you buy from someone that doesnt have any good dogs in the pedigree for the first few generations. I would rather get a pup off a champion, even if the owner just got into the dogs, and has no idea what he has. -Not to say there isn't many different situations, but just as an example. If you want great dogs, then they must come from great dogs.
     
  17. wardogkennels

    wardogkennels CH Dog

    This is where the breeder comes in. A good breeder will have dogs with good pedigrees but most importantly will know how to line breed and outcross his preferred line of dogs. This is why a good breeder will always have good dogs. He knows what he is doing!



     
  18. jetson

    jetson Big Dog

    war dog guarantee makes alot of sense not alot of people in the game will give you a guarantee...hell you just got to get really lucky to get 5 out 5 dogs from a breeder and they all turn out to be aces
     
  19. jetson

    jetson Big Dog


    not alot of ppl will do that...well the way i was taught that in this game as men we only have our word and if you dont have that you dont have squat....
     

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