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our next Pres???

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by JohnsonKennels, Sep 7, 2008.

  1. SAM_I_AM

    SAM_I_AM Big Dog

    Women want equal rights and I think that they should have it. It is her right to run if she wants. her children should not even come into play. So are you also saying that no women with children should have a job? Do you think that single mothers who work to support their family have put aside their motherly duties also? What about her husband do you think that he is not up to par to help out with his family?

    What about Obama's Momma, she gave birth to him when she was 18. What does that say about his values? Oh thats right, according to Obama she should terminate that pregnancy so that she would not be burdned with a mistake.
     
  2. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    I haven't followed this whole thing, so please forgive me should I say anything that has already been said.

    But I have to agree w/ Sam. What is Palin doing that men aren't already? There are tons of men political & otherwise leaving children - children who are able bodied or not - to go to work or "dabble" in politics. What is the difference?

    It is a known fact that male children need men in the home & children in general do best with two parents in the household. So it is OK for men to run off & leave their children but not women? What kind of mess is that? Men are just as important as women to a child's raising, doubly so if that child is a boy. But it's OK for "dad" to run about hither & yon & ditch his kids?

    I don't think so.

    As for her daughter getting preggers, again, Sam is right. While I do not condone it whatsoever, Obama's mother did it as well & there is only a year's difference or less between the women's age of pregnancy. But Ann did it w/ a married man! Talk about lack of morals! Let's just hope she didn't know Obama Sr. was married.

    And we do not know it or not, but Palin's daughter may have used a condom & may have even been on the pill. But as anyone who has used either one, they will tell you, neither offers 100% protection.

    JMHO ...
     
  3. JohnsonKennels

    JohnsonKennels Big Dog

    I'm all for equal rights, by no mean do i knock women and the hard work they do as mothers and in the work force, my point was not with children in general. i think it is unfair for her special needs child to be brushed aside. do you really think that as VP she will have time for her children.
    lets look at white hopuse kids for a second. bush girls=coke, DUI.
    Clintons girl= well have you even seen her in the past 5 years, not really.

    please don't take my post and try to stretch what im saying,take it at face value.

    All I'm saying is that the VP seems to me to be a crazy busy job for a mother of 5 to take on.
    mcCain saw her possition on oil in AK and her Vigina and ran with it.
     
  4. ImMe

    ImMe Big Dog

    Yes she did give birth to him at 18, but look what he turned out to be... And it wasnt his decision to be here it was his moms, just because he supports abortions dont mean he should have been aborted, he had no role in that.

    And I dont think the other guy meant in any way that Pallin shouldnt work, he was just trying to say she should be paying more attention to her kids thats all..
     
  5. JohnsonKennels

    JohnsonKennels Big Dog

    Personally i'm all for Obortion, let's be real. it is the womens right to do so if she sees fit.
    let me ask you this, if your daughter was rapped would you be so happy that she is going to have the child? be honest, you would throw her ass in the car first thing sat. morning and be back at church on sun. like nothing happened.
     
  6. SAM_I_AM

    SAM_I_AM Big Dog

    I am not trying to stretch what you are saying but in all fairness the Bush girls and the Clintons girl are Presidential children not Vice Presidential children.
     
  7. JohnsonKennels

    JohnsonKennels Big Dog

    i agree with that but all it takes is one more hart attack and then they become presidintial kids.
     
  8. SAM_I_AM

    SAM_I_AM Big Dog

     
  9. ImMe

    ImMe Big Dog

     
  10. SAM_I_AM

    SAM_I_AM Big Dog

     
  11. Obama Not Exactly

    Obama's "Not Exactly's": This person is more dangerous than any
    Candidate in recent years....

    1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe
    Enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as
    Selma was in 1965. (Google'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4,
    2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

    2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a
    Privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan
    Government.

    3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he
    Was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has
    Ever had.

    4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT
    EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in
    Attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first
    Widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American
    But Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your
    Half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your
    New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out
    The following link for verification of that....and for more.

    Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and
    Tried to get Sharia Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the
    Elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned
    Men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took
    Shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here
    Started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to
    Know the truth.

    5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT
    EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own
    Interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have
    Been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

    6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is
    Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means
    'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

    Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he
    Would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black
    President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's
    Side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side.
    While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family
    Was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5%
    African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states
    he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....

    http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-Am
    Eric
    An,_only_6.25%25_African

    7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it
    Daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that
    Faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run
    For office. 4-3-08 Article "Obama was! 'quite religious in
    Islam"
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

    8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you
    Were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic
    Studies for making faces (check your own book).
    February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a
    Year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to
    Prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that
    Seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks),
    Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as "one of the prettiest
    Sounds on Earth at sunset." This is just one example of what Pamela
    Is talking about when she says "Obama's narrative is being altered,
    Enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts."

    9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one
    Teacher says you could speak the language.

    10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign
    Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and
    Couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the
    Koran and watch cartoons.

    11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except
    For Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have
    Never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience
    With our closest allies.

    12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT
    EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no
    mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your
    classmates said you were just fine.

    13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT
    EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book.
    It doesn't, and never did, exist.

    14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life -
    NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your
    book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

    15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY,
    here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have
    enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience
    first.

    16.) Voting "Present" is Common In Illinois Senate
    NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others
    have 130 NO VOTES.

    17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by
    church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

    18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a
    senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were
    a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT
    EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

    21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it
    took just 14 days from start to finish.

    22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill
    ! was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all
    regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which
    David Axelrod came.

    23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of
    March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be
    released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.


    24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT
    EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld
    Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your
    books.

    25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY,
    your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which
    lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

    26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY,
    even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your
    part.

    27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY,
    they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their
    creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher
    office.

    28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA -
    NOT EXACTLY, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the
    conversation your campaign had with them.

    29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the
    Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali
    Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel .

    30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let
    the delegates decide.

    31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer
    caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote,
    and only operate during small windows of time.

    32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY,
    you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

    33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you
    used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.


    34.) I Don't Take PAC! Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take
    loads of it.

    35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have
    over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

    36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT
    EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one
    afternoon.

    37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you
    weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it
    every single time.

    38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT
    EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't
    have to buy it
     
  12. WWII

    WWII Banned

    What about McCain is = to Bush? I've been hearing this for weeks. Please tell me, how McCain another Bush? What has he done? What policies of his are like Bush? McCain is more liberal than Bush if anything.

    Here is what I'd like to know from Obama supporters:
    1. What policies of his do you like?

    2. Why is there so much Obama vs Palin statements? Do you not see something wrong with comparing a presidential nominee to a vice presidential nominee?

    3. What is it about McCain that equates him to Bush?

    As for religion being in politics, it gives them moral ground to stand on and reflect their leadership. The Bible has absolute morals. A law that we measure ourselves to. Without a devine law, or set of morals, they can change on a whim. If you want, we can get into a discussion about how our country was founded on Christian principles and how the founding fathers felt the need to incorporate religion into government.

    No different than Obama having kids and trying to run a nation. Only Palin would be a VP. Do you know what VP does? The major requirement for a VP is to break a tie in the Senate. And now about her daughter. She can preach morals all she wants, but it's ultimately up to her daughter to decide what she does. I'm sure you did some things that your parents didn't approve of. Doesn't make them any worse parents for it.

    Strawman?

    I see where you are coming from, but does she really have the right to take away another human's life? If I had a daughter that happened to be raped, I would not take her to get an abortion. Two wrongs do not make a right and it was not the child's fault. Depending on the circumstances I would either help out with the child or place it for adoption. Abortion, in my mind, is never the right thing to do.
     
  13. Simple Math




    2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

    ISSUE
    JOHN McCAIN
    BARAK OBAMA
    Favors new drilling offshore US
    Yes
    No
    Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
    Yes
    No

    Served in the US Armed Forces
    Yes
    No
    Amount of time served in the US Senate
    22 YEARS
    173 DAYS
    Will institute a socialized national health care plan
    No
    Yes
    Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
    No
    Yes
    Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
    No
    Yes
    Supports gun ownership rights
    Yes
    No
    Supports homosexual marriage
    No
    Yes
    Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
    No
    Yes
    Voted against making English the official language
    No
    Yes
    Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
    No
    Yes
    CAPITAL GAINS TAX
    MCCAIN
    0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
    OBAMA
    28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)
     
  14. DIVIDEND TAX
    MCCAIN
    15% (no change)
    OBAMA
    39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')
    INCOME TAX
    MCCAIN

    (no changes)
    Single making 30K - tax $4,500
    Single making 50K - tax $12,500
    Single making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    Married making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 125K - tax $31,250
    OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
    Single making 30K - tax $8,400
    Single making 50K - tax $14,000
    Single making 75K - tax $23,250
    Married making 60K - tax $16,800
    Married making 75K - tax $21,000
    Married making 125K - tax $38,750
    Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!
    INHERITANCE TAX
    MCCAIN
    - 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
    OBAMA
    Restore the inheritance tax

    Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.
    NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA
    New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!
     
  15. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    Each & every person, I don't care who they are has their good points & their bad points, to include the great orator, Obama.

    But at least he is honest (mostly). Some things the Obama camp might be interested to know was that he was involved in a shady land deal, was a marijuana user, a cocaine user & very nearly a heroin user. The only reason he said didn't use heroin was not b/c he had anything against doing heroin - he just didn't like the dealer! (Yikes!)

    As for children, I think NO child should be swept aside. Every child is a "special needs" child since EVERY child - disabled or not - requires special care to grown up to be a good, loving, moral person. And it's not right for momma OR daddy to choose career over children IMO.

    As for the comment of getting an abortion on Saturday & being in church on Sunday, that is just sick! And while there ARE people who would do that, it doesn't mean that is right.

    And you can't forget about those who believe every child - even those from incest or rape - are gifts from God & are birthed & kept by loving families. Many a times I have read about a women who agonized about keeping a rapists' child only to give birth to it & find out it was the best thing that could ever happened to her (the child, not the rape).

    I myself believe to each his own. If you want to abort, fine if not, even better. But it is not my job to say, since it will be you who has to account for your actions, not I.

    I would like to add one thing though. I do not think having "socialized" health care would lead to us getting "3rd world" care. Canada has nationwide health care & from the Canadians I talk to, they have very good care.

    Plus, if you do not have insurance here in the U.S. most Dr.s will not even look at you. They'll just toss a few pills your way & hope it works or they'll just let you die. So I can't bash anyone for wanting nation wide health care. With the number of uninsured Americans who can't get proper care, we need it
     
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  16. JohnsonKennels

    JohnsonKennels Big Dog

    I just want to give someone a shot that doesn't fall under the same political stand point as almost every pres. before him. they all served in the millitary or lawyers or govn. or sat on congress (literaly) I think our country should take a chance and see if the other way might be a better way for us all.
     
  17. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    How would Obama be any different? Isn't he a Ivy league educated lawyer who is a Senator? Ivy league. Lawyer. Senator. That doesn't sound like he's any different from any other Prez to me.
     
  18. WWII

    WWII Banned

    How old are you? Who would you consider, off the top of your head, the best president you know of?
     
  19. Everyone is talking about Palin lack of experience but at least she ran a city for two years.. Obama had his education paid for 100% by the US government . He was a professor for 12 years and never wrote any kind of essays,then he was a Illinois senator for two years without ever writing one piece of legeslation,and the entire time he has been in the US Senate he has been running for Pres. When it is time for him to give alittle back to the US or should he just be given the White House even though he has no idea how to even take a stand in the senate.. Sorry but the white house is not a place to learn.. Give him 10 years then maybe the liberals may have something but it will not be long until the "chosen one" gets knocked off his purch... He is already starting show signs that he is in over his head.. I agree we need change but Obama's style politics are the same ideals that the liberal party has been using for 50 years.. Joe Biden for VP come on where is the change.. Even Biden himself stated awhile back that Obama is not ready yet.. there has already been a 20 point swing since Mccain chose Palin for VP and the margin will only get bigger from here..

    I predict a 30 point win for McCain/Palin
     
  20. No offence but Obama is not the one that brings change.. His VP is Joe Biden for god sake.. This is the same style liberal politics that has been going on for 50 years.I am all for change but not the kind of change that will lead to the next depression or the next 911.. We all may have forgotten but there has not been an attack on American soil since 911 and thats becasue we are on offence not defense.. Tucking tail and running is not the American way at least not for this devil dog....Semper FI!!!!
     

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