Openhouse kennels and genetically sick dogs

Studentofthegame · Jun 1, 2012

@osk After thinking bout your situation and this post a Lil more and the fact that no one else has come forward with similar issues with dogs off the sire and Dam you are pinpointing,I suggest you check the DNA of the one you still have,the led maybe false

Studentofthegame · Jun 1, 2012

Led=*peds*
My bad

dajuice · Jun 2, 2012

After everything mentioned concerning your issue if that's the way it went I wouldn't even want a replacement. I'd chalk it up and be rid of the breeder altogether.

bbad · Jun 2, 2012

sorry to hear that bro dealing with chico i know you paid too dam much to start off for a pup,& then to have this happen & then he not wanting to work anything out with you. what's funny is you never see that side of people before they get you $ it's only when it's time to make good on a bad deal.

osk · Jun 4, 2012

@ Starstudent, I have received numerous pm's, which i agreed to keep my word and would keep what i was told to myself. But the problem and problems with in the states are huger than a lot of people think, and the problems are being exported to other countries now, because breeders with huge magnitudes of dogs dont actually know they have these problems. Its the smaller kennels that discover and have to deal with the problems. 1 dog dying on my yard is a big deal, and i will get to the root of the death, unless obviously its a chain break. The peds were correct, as i used to keep in contact with the littermates owners. I started to point out to my friend in NY, after seeing the pics of his one, that he should consider taking the dog for tests. He never did and i dont know if the brother is still alive, and as I was told all the others from the litter are all dead. 1 from a chain break the rest, who knows... My good friend who has studied genetics, told me that 4 of the litter should get the problem. but i believe the ped is legit. @ Dajuice, yes i have no desire to get another dog from him anymore, its just been too much to deal with, both emotionally and financially. @bbad, yes i spent my life savings to get those dogs here.

oldslowblue · Jun 7, 2012

Wow... life savings spent with Chico & The Chosen Few is no good my friend. He is always bragging about how he is an active dogman outside of the states. Real bulldoggers know Chico peddles the dogs from Texas to support his actions in Brazil and South America. He also brags on a winning record which comes from being over 2lbs every confirmation show. LOL, Chico... It's time to stop looking for the blood that is peddled the most, and start serching for real Bulldogs. IMHO, it's a bad idea to go looking for quality stock, from any large puppy mill.

TripleJ · Jun 8, 2012

Hey man I just looked over this thread, Are you sure that dog didnot contract babisea?? He looks like it Im not saying it is by no meens. but you could be thinking it is something else and it may be babisea thats how my dogs did when they cought it with a feaver sometimes.

osk · Jun 8, 2012

@TripleJ we have gone through extensive testing as well as paid R11 000.00 to operate and save the one female. I will be the 1st to admit my wrongs if dogs were dying from chain breaks, but the fact is a dog on my yard has never died from tick fever. I have never lost a puppy in my life to any disease before this. Babesia was what we tested for 1st. All 3 strains as well as repeated the tests 30 days later. The dogs that were imported were tested for Babesia Gibsoni as a regulation twice before they are allowed to enter SA. That is one of 11 my friend. All the other dogs are ok.

TripleJ · Jun 8, 2012

Hate to hear it! That kinda stuff scares the pants off me its real bad when you aint even sure what is going on. I think it is sad to see a dog strong and proud go to sick and poor!

PitbullSA · Jul 10, 2012

This is exactly why I am afraid to import a dog. Never know what you gonna get and who can be trusted

swiftersweeper · Jul 10, 2012

PitbullSA said: ↑

This is exactly why I am afraid to import a dog. Never know what you gonna get and who can be trusted
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its a messed up story, but to be honest something just doesnt seem right. the blood behind main event is not something that is kept withing a community. those dogs behind main event are all over the place. youd think there would be more of this popping up arround, but why just with this one male? if this one male is spreading this out there there would be dogs behind it with these problems that gave it to main event. the whole story does sound fishy to me. i dont think open house are peddlers either. not many people have dogs off him either. just my 2 cents. every one gets fucked atleast one time in life lol, im glad it wasnt me.

claidheamhmor · Jul 11, 2012

OSK, did you check for HOOK WORMS?

willie joyner · Jan 13, 2013

Man thats sad but hopefully Chico didnt do that cause im a big fan of him and chosen few to the heart

Limey kennels · Jan 18, 2013

is that dog still alive im sorry didnt go tru the intyer topic!!..

The Saint · Jan 18, 2013

OSK, man I'm really sorry to hear about your misfortune. 80K is a whole lot of money, money which I don't have to spend. It's always a risk for guys over here trusting people over there with all your money and dreams...and then people say stay away from the peddlers, but hell if you're way over here and all the REAL dogmen, with all the REAL dogs are so deep undercover that you can't get to them with a shovel, then I wonder how the hell are we supposed to know. I really feel for you and wish there was something I could do to make it better.
As a working man this type of crap scares the living daylight out of me to think some low-life could rob you of your entire Life...cos although its a shit load of money, its not JUST about the money.
I wish you all of the best.

d.j · Jan 30, 2013

Really sucks. The worst part is that this has become the norm and that most people will warn you almost as if this sort of thing goes hand in hand with importing a dog. A good friend of mine said as a community have to keep them honest and that kind of makes sense. I guess its a lot harder to do in the US than here in SA due to the sheer number of people so even if one group of people boycott someone that is known to be a cheat, it is impossible to spread the word to the countless numbers of other potential buyers sustaining his business so to speak. It's sad that the pitbull breed has become synonymous with unethical people., and then people wonder why the public outcry against game-dogs is so large ? People complain about videos like Off The Chain being released, well that kind of stuff is happening in these dogs and I wouldn't put it passed dogmen like that to sell someone genetically sick dogs. Not saying all dogmen are like that, but it is happening.

As some of you may know I myself was looking to import and to honest I have dealt with some very nice people that have been labelled peddlers by some on here. I'm happy with the kennel I am dealing with and I have the utmost respect for him and his dogs. OSK I have never met you but its a crying shame what has happened to you and as Saint said its quite scary to think that sort of thing could happen. 80K is a lot of money indeed. Its easy for anyone who has read this read to see that you clearly aren't in the wrong, best of luck with your dogs bro. Cheers

thecableguy · Jun 6, 2017

Bump bump bump

rroscoe · Nov 17, 2017

osk said: ↑

Good day, its been a very long while since i have posted here, or any board for that matter.
4 years ago i imported two dogs from Openhouse kennels, both out of their stud dog Main Event, with the mother for the female being Double Dolly, and the other Cricket. When the dogs arrived, the female out of Double Dolly looked nice and thick, and the male out of cricket looked a bit thin and week for a bulldog, but i thought hey, this guy says he sent me world beaters. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. As time went by, the male would just just not put on weight. He was very active so thought it could just be that, so i upped his food to 2 cups a day. Quite a lot for a 19kg male. His gums were always pale though, and as time went he just consistantly dropped in weight. The feamale, Lola, who was very well built and thick, she died one night mysteriously and after spending a few thousands on autopsy and tests, our vets could not tell us the cause of death. I did not blame anyone for her death as nothing could be proven. After Lola died i decided to breed my Openhouse male as i had spent over R80 000.00 importing these dogs and did not want to loose my investment if tomorrow the male died, so i bred him. Of the litter i got 3 males and 1 female. At 6 months i the young female drooling looking spaced out pushing her head into the corner and seemed as though she had a lock jaw. The 1st thing i thought was rabbis. I took her off to the vet where they managed to stablise, and proceeded to do all the tests they could. Everything from rabbis to babesia, until they concurred the only other thing it could be is PORTOSYSTEMIC SHUNT or liver shunt. Portosystemic shunts (PSS) are vascular anomalies that divert blood from the abdominal viscera to the heart, bypassing the hepatic sinusoids and carrying intestinal absorption products directly to the systemic circulation. Portosystemic shunts can be classified as extrahepatic or intrahepatic, single or multiple, and congenital or acquired. Types of single congenital portovascular anomalies include intrahepatic portocaval shunts (i.e. patent ductus venosus) and extrahepatic portocaval or portal-azygos shunts. In a small percentage of dogs, the prehepatic portal vein is also congenitally absent.
Single intrahepatic and extrahepatic PSS are usually diagnosed in immature animals. No sex predilection is evident. Single intrahepatic PSS are found primarily in large breed dogs such as Irish Wolfhound, Old English sheepdog, Golden and Labrador Retrievers, Samoyed, AND NOW IN OPENHOUSE KENNELS WORLD BEATERS. Its also found in medium-sized breeds such as Australian shepherds and Australian Cattle dogs AND NOW IN OPENHOUSE KENNELS WORLD BEATERS. Single extrahepatic PSS occur primarily in small breed dogs such as the Yorkshire terrier, Schnauzer, poodle, Maltese, Shih Tzu, and dachshund. These shunts may connect the portal vein with the caudal vena cava directly, or may originate from a portal tributary such as the left gastric vein. Congenital shunts are hereditary in Maltese and Irish Wolfhounds and are thought to be hereditary in Yorkies. Multiple extrahepatic PSS occur with chronic increased hepatic portal venous resistance and portal pressure. These shunts are frequently found around the kidneys. Breed predisposition for multiple PSS include the German Shepherd and Doberman pinscher.

I spent R11000.00 on an operation to save my female, who later died 6 months after the op as she relapsed and nothing could be done to save her. The vet then told me that is why your dog is so thin all the time and why he has no colour in his gums. At this time we had already done another breeding with this male that i got from Openhouse, with the new pups on the ground. As the 1st litter reached 18 months the one male started to drastically deteriorate. He was thick and strong and looked like a MaYday dog in every way, then booom, just like that they switch. Within a week he was looking spaced out and had lost a lot of weight. He was extremely dehydrated and i had to make the harsh decision to cull my poor dog, as i could not afford another R11 000.00 operation, that has no guarantees. His father, the world beater from Openhouse had too deteriorated beyond belief, and i too had to put him out of his misery.

Now i was sitting with 2 males from the 1st litter, who i did not know the future of, and the 2nd litter young with the impending doom awaiting them. The 2nd litter of 7 pups is now 1year 4months and this past weekend had to make the harsh decision again to put 4 of them down, as the disease had kicked in and literally over night destroyed them. So of a combined number of pups off my male was 11, with me only having 5 left to work with for now, but even that is a dream as at any point they dogs could shunt.
The breeder denies ever sending sick dogs to me, but i find it hard to believe that i am the only one in the bulldog world that has this problem, or maybe because i only have a handfull of dogs i actually take the time and money to find out why my dogs are getting sick and dying. The breeder gave me a million excuses blaming me for it, but the thing is i have other dogs, from other people, as well as dogs from Southern Kennels that are all living in perfect health, fit and full and like a dog should be.
If any one else is having this problem pls contact me via pm, as im sure there are a lot of people breeding dogs down from MAIN EVENT, CRICKET OR DOUBLE DOLLY, or the parents of them, that will scientifically without a doubt be carrying the same genetic problem.
I was not going to say anything about this, but after sending a mail to the breeder asking if we could make an arrangement for a replacement dog, i was called a crying bitch who talks too much shit, and that he cant be blamed for my failures. I was very thrown back, which made me feel like this guy knows he has this problem, but would rather turn a blind eye, cos who cares if one or two of 300 dogs die right. My question is, why did Main Event die so young. Why did Double Dolly die so young? Answers you will never get.. I guess to them having 300 dogs means the ones that look skinny just die.

Sorry for the rant but im more upset with the fact that i have to shoot my dogs before i can even take them to a show.

What is a liver shunt?
A liver shunt is a blood vessel that carries blood around the liver instead of through it. In some animals a liver shunt is a birth defect ("congenital portosystemic shunt). In others, multiple small shunts ("acquired portosystemic shunts") form because of severe liver disease such as cirrhosis.
Why do congenital shunts develop?
All mammalian fetuses have a large shunt ("ductus venosus") that carries blood quickly through the fetal liver to the heart. Since the mother's liver does the work of filtering out toxins, storing sugar, and producing protein for her unborn babies, liver function is not needed in the fetus. This ductus venosus is supposed to close down shortly before or after birth as the baby's liver begins to work. In some individuals the shunt doesn't close down; it is then called a "Patent Ductus Venosus", or an intrahepatic shunt. In other animals, a blood vessel outside of the liver develops abnormally and remains open after the ductus venosus closes. This is called a congenital extrahepatic shunt.
Why do animals with shunts have problems?
In the normal animal, food and other ingested materials are broken down or digested in the intestines and absorbed into the portal blood stream, where they are carried to the liver. The liver stores some of the food for energy, processes some of it into safe chemicals, and uses some of it to make proteins and other substances. Because the blood bypasses the liver in dogs with shunts, toxins may build up in the bloodstream or kidneys. Additionally, the animal lacks the necessary materials to give it a ready source of energy and to help it grow.
What are the clinical signs of a liver shunt?
Clinical signs are often seen at a young age and include small stature, poor muscle development, behavioral abnormalities (circling, disorientation, unresponsiveness, staring into space, head pressing), seizures, and quiet demeanor. Other less common signs include drinking or urinating too much, apparent blindness, diarrhea, and vomiting. In some animals the signs are associated with eating protein. Other animals are diagnosied when they take a long time recovering from anesthestics (i.e. barbiturates) or sedatives (i.e. acepromazine). Some animals show no signs until they are older, when they develop bladder and kidney infections and stones.
What breeds are commonly affected with shunts?
Small breed dogs tend to have shunts that form outside of the liver ("extrahepatic"). In the United States, Yorkshire terriers have almost a 36 times greater risk of developing shunts than all other breeds combined. Extrahepatic shunts can be seen in any small breed but are also reported commonly in schnauzers, Maltese, dachshunds, Jack Russell terriers, Shih Tzu, Lhasa apso, Cairn terriers, and poodles. Large breed dogs tend to retain the fetal liver shunt (patent ductus venosus), or "intrahepatic" shunts. In the Netherlands, about 2% of Irish Wolfhounds are born with intrahepatic shunts. Intrahepatic shunts can be seen in any large breed dog and have been reported in some small breed dogs (especially poodles); in the United States, we see them most often in Labrador retrievers. Australian shepherds, Australian cattle dogs, Samoyeds, and Old English sheepdogs are also commonly reported.
Are shunts hereditary?
A disease is likely to be hereditary if it occurs more commonly in one breed than others; if it occurs in a family of dogs; or if it or a closely related disease is proven hereditary in other breeds or species. Liver shunts are considered hereditary in Irish wolfhounds, Cocker spaniels, Maltese, and Yorkshire terriers, and are probably hereditary in several other breeds. The affected dog should be castrated or spayed and, because the mode of inheritance is not known, it is best to avoid breeding the parents.
How is a shunt diagnosed?
On blood work, dogs with congenital liver shunts usually have low blood urea nitrogen (BUN) and albumin concentrations. They may be slightly anemic or have red blood cells that are smaller than normal ("microcytosis"). They also may have increases in liver enzymes ("AST", "ALT"). Their urine may be dilute or infected and contain small spiky crystals ("ammonium biurate"). None of these laboratory changes are specific for a liver shunt; however, when veterinarians see these abnormalities, they will usually measure bile acid or ammonia concentrations to evaluate liver function. A liver shunt cannot be definitively diagnosed by blood work; shunting can only be found with advanced techniques such as scintigraphy, ultrasound, portography, Cat scan ("CT"), MRI, or exploratory surgery.
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Sounds like too inbreed Increases all the bad Genes do not breed these dogs they Sadly are not good stock ..Cut your loses and save the heart break ..

Scrappy Doo · Dec 1, 2017

Inbreeding creates bad genetics. Its been studied by people with a lot more science and $$ behind them then apbt breeders.

old goat · Dec 1, 2017

Scrappy Doo said: ↑

Inbreeding creates bad genetics. Its been studied by people with a lot more science and $$ behind them then apbt breeders.
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Your a joke .

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