Old School vs New School

Old school to me means tight bred family dogs with a style and character you can bet on.
Also the way they go after a cross has been made. A cross has to be made for the right reason.
Old school breeders don't wanna get 'new dogs' with each 'new cross'. They just want something that adds something good to their own family of dogs.
If the cross 'clicked well' for the breeder, than he will always breed back to his 'original' family. He does not want to change his whole family.
Reason could be just some hybrid vigor for another 2-4 generations to work with.

New school is just another/the other way after a cross has been made. Each generation bred by another guy, probably for different reasons.
If you 'need' to cross your dogs, than maybe it's time to think about the quality of your own dogs and if this is what you really want.
To me it's about percentages. I like a good game family of dogs to start with. I feel this is giving better odds than 'the exception of the rule dog'.
I even consider the man behind the dogs more than the dogs on their own. I don't wanna talk to 16 different people to get some background of my dogs.
With old school you know what you get to some degree, with new school it's even more of a gamble. Scatter bred ? 4-way-cross ? Best to best ?

New school may produce the top dog, but percentage wise I would bet on the old school bred dogs. Sounds to me like the safer bet.

 

my two cents every ten years the so called new school arrives and when I tell em hey man we imported that same stuff ten years ago it didnt work they call u a hater
than it doesnt work again but than they one to the new

work em they will work , preserve a bloodline that has been preserved for generations hell thats what u will get
in a way its simple u know

many years probably 30 I was talking to a guy called captain he was convinced of a many things one of the things he was convinced off is that if the mother was worked it would show in the pups
today's studies show that experience , food , well being changes your dna
thats why I am surprised at the remarks of some that say a good dog no matter what will be a good dog


nah educate , read , just like a shy mother u take them pups away early these dogs do change dna due to environment , food , all of it
see it like this if mike tyson was born white , with wealthy parents , loads of that takeaway food on his table
u think he would be that angry , poor , black mofo that wanted to kill everyone ?

 

Good point. The only difference between the mainstream sports and underground sport is in mainstream sports the athletes have improved because children are being groomed much earlier then before and there are a lot more professional style leagues under the mask of “amateur” that are getting athletes prepared much quicker. Also the rules in a lot of professional sports has changed to be geared more towards OFFENSIVE. Underground sport tho the rules have not changed the mindset of OFFENSE has taken the front seat in a lot of working programs that I have seen. That’s the difference to me because tbh I could post actual examples of old school and new school shit but I ain’t gonna put people who are really running in front street. But a lot of older style programs really ain’t winning consistently in the “Fast Lane” right now and that’s a fact. I’m sure we all know all stock ain’t “working” stock. A lot of these mainstream crosses and bloods are not “working stock” anymore. Not by themselves at least. But that’s just my 2cents. If you ever listened to them old timers interviews and stuff they didn’t consider a lot of them “Jeep redboy” “Boyle’s” and different crosses as the same thing as what they were doing. Of course that was all in the 70’s 80’s and 90’s. Here we are in 2020 and a lot of the shit that is REALLY “Fast Lane” ain’t off of those stand alone families and crosses anymore as much ‍♂️. Plus it’s plenty new big names and producers i feel deserve their shine and respect too. But for some reason everyone is stuck in the 80’s and 90’s. Yes all dogs started from a few bloodlines but ain’t nobody calling a Redboy dog a “Colby” hound. Ijs

 

Great point. See and from what I have seen a lot of new programs are looking at their animals much younger than before. My old head also told me that a crazy mother with produce crazy pups. I’ve seen that too be true. The old “Nurture vs Nature” debate. From my experience a lot of new camps are starting their young ones earlier and making crosses as they please. That in my opinion is what has changed when I say old school vs new school. Because tho all of these dogs do come from a common starting point these last 10 years from what I have been seeing the style of “Nurturing” aka “Wait until they are 24 months” is long out the window. If they ain’t started up in half that time a lot of people won’t even add it into their programs.

 

Old School Standards - Modern Dogs.
Without history no future.

 

Exactly we are on the same page 100%. Now don’t get me wrong I was educated to wait until 24 months to hit the woods hard because their minds, teeth, bones and skin are much more mature and sturdy at that point. But at the same time the world is moving so fast nobody wants to sit on a cold 32 month old that might not work out. But there are still plenty real ones breeding true and keeping percentages high but most of them ain’t on the internet at all. So I just say if you want the real deal don’t except to get it on FB or Hoobly. At least not at a high percentage. The cream always rises to the top. And once the bulldog fad goes away most of this watered down shit will be forgotten too.

 

@slim12 I believed for a while too many of us overlook the intelligence, psychology and spirit of our dogs.. All emphasis on pedigrees, nutrition, condition, supplements, hardware etc, we forget there's no point presenting a sculpted, vein popping athlete if your dog is stressed and unmotivated.. I sometimes wondered why UK import dogs (from decent kennels) in the 80's/90's stopped and forever labelled curs? Obviously some of them maybe were, but most I knew were only out of quarantine a month, then dragged straight out to hunt something,

It wasn't until I saw the neglect my own import gyp suffered over 6 months inside a quarantine facility I realised the poor little bastard was scared, depressed, malnourished, suffering separation anxiety and other psychological problems consistent with being dragged from her kennel, locked in a sky crate, loaded onto a airplane, flown across the ocean, then tossed in a concrete pen for the next 6 months.. Men have broke down, went insane and committed suicide under similar circumstances in jail and they wasn't being asked to fight competition MMA within a month of their release!

I remember Norman Hoooten (RIP) wrote an open letter in UK Pit Bull News, someone sold a gyp called Hooten's Jailhouse to one of the English camps, He wanted Jailhouse back, said he loved her, the person who sent her to England never had any right selling her and he was willing to compensate the new owners if they'd return her.. I was impressed by Hooten's genuine concern over Jailhouse.. Later I heard a story from a respected UK dogman who told me Jailhouse was stopped soon after she left quarantine.. I remember asking why would someone like Norman Hooten be worried over a cur like that? He could own any dog from the best working kennels in Texas? Why worry over a cur like Jailhouse? Common sense told me she was no cur! I think she was probably everything Hooten would have desired and expected, then she got transported to UK, suffered from depression and asked to compete when she couldn't! My opinion!

 

It’s not just your opinion. Some of those idiots who brought in dogs back then I wouldn’t even call dogmen. I remember being told about Jailhouse, got told it was a week after coming out of Q kennels. I said to the lad who told me to contact the lad who owns her and say I’ll take Jailhouse, the look on his face was a picture.

 

It was said to me that the dogs of today are much better as the ones from 20 years ago.
Today dogs don't have the time to start slowly.
And there was no space for discussion. It's just like that. Over.

But I still have to disagree ... of coarse.

 

If they are matching two 14 months old dogs ... one has to make it.
I was telling that I believe schooling is very important and a beautiful thing to see if done right ...
Why schooling ? Roll them early at 9-10 months and show them next if they are good acting. This is not 20 years ago.
OK ! ... ???

 

Rolling them under a year old will ruin more of them than it will make.....

They are puppies both mentally and physically. That would go for back then and in today's time.

There are dogs that can do that like Gr Ch yellowman won his first at at 14 months I believe but thats not the norm in any time. Those are the exceptions to the rule IMO. They aren't machines.

 

I got the feeling that most today are looking for exactly this, the exceptions to the rule dog.
They are not looking for the average ch or gr ch anymore. The goal today is the Gr Ch ROM female. That's the holy grail today.
Guess it's about fame.

 

This thread can use a bump, definitely some great knowledge being dropped. Newcomers take note.

 

All the same shit. I'd more than likely walk away from someone taking about " new school" only thing really changes is nutrition, after care and conditioning to a certain degree. Odds are if they talking new school then they probably born in the 90's and just got a pedsonline account so we ain't got much to talk about lol