Old irish staff

Is There An Irish Stafford Breed?

There's alot of confusion, what is an Irish Stafford and does such a dog exist
To clear up statements as to believers and the non believers of Irish staffords, it's really plain and very simple, if your born in the UK, your from the united kingdom and if your born in Ireland, your simply Irish and that goes very much in to the many debates on the internet as to whether there is an Irish stafford.... and the answer would be absolutley yes, but in saying that, if the question asked was, is the stafford breed itself from Ireland and the answer would be no, ALL the staffordshire bull terriers, in show, hunt and field, including the gamebred lines all of them either came down from staffords brought into Ireland from the UK or dogs bred down from the imports.. but there is no mistaken that the breed is 100% UK, I just feel that the Irish lads used them a little bit more to proove to themselves that what they were feeding and had on the other end of the lead was the real macoy, they could do what they were bred for and at the time the badger was the test.

There are so many different stories out there over the internet on the Irish dogs but only the folk that were there when all of this took place can verify what I am saying is the truth, I've been around and seen some of the best show, field and game Stafford's in the world, as a young boy I would be sitting in the back of my uncles car, which was an Austin A30, he also had a Mini Estate and I would be in the back seat of the car holding onto many of the great Stafford's of that time while we were taking them out to exercise, I would be in the middle of them all being bumped around.

Many great Stafford's were bred in Ireland and many great terrier men tested them on the badger....there were a very few that dabbled in the fighting end of things but a majority of the terrier men ran the dogs on the badger, well in those days, and at that point in time Ireland was plagued with the Badger and was in the Irish eyes a major concern for the disease TB... so the IKC (Irish Kennel Club) came up with the game cert, for terriers that could pull of hold a badger and was rewarded points on how good they did.... many of the terriermen saw this a great opportunity to make their dogs up, (Title Champion) so they traveled the length of the country for badger digs which were sponsored by the IKC, appointed noted IKC terrier men to judge the events, so came terriermen from all over Ireland to test their dogs, one of those men was my uncle William Delaney who produced so many great dogs, these same dogs were out badgering bright and early on the Saturday morning and trying to make it to the dog shows by the afternoon or they would look for shows held on the Sunday giving them enough time on the Saturday to go badgering, one has to remember that the badgers were many at this point in time and gave life to a network of terriermen all over Ireland looked forward in palying the game on the weekends... that was it... great dogs and great terriermen.

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Article by
Ray Delaney

 

No problem Beanieman..! we are all fine.. i just put up pic of Spike to show an example of the breed ... not to upsett anyone or to big it up .. he looks a good example of the line ..today.. there are many Irish blues who look very similar to Spike & many with similar peds . as anyone who knows about the physco & K.K. lines will know. just like to put you streight on 1 thing .. my post offering a pup to the lady. in the U.S. no money was mentioned .. if you would like to check my previous posts..! actually it would have been a privilage to send 1 of our pups to the U.S. & she would have only been charged shipping. ...There have been many Quality Irish dogs in the past .. but do any of you have any pictures of the dogs today ?

 

do you have a link to your kennel possibly that you can pm me id like to check your dogs out thanks

 

Here you go, im sure JJ wont mind me putting it up

jjbulls presents - Home

 

I had a little of the same thing .
@jjbulls it is good to know the truth about this dog cause it means that person told so many lies.
It's not that i think he is a bad looking dog, but just not to the standard of the dogs that were in his 5ft and 6th gen.
If i do not have a certain character left in my dogs i would still like them to be a true stafford in build.
And even if a dog has the old dogs in his line's it does not mean he or she is the best representative of that breed.
We already have people who ***** them up by show standards an now to many go for to big of dogs, regarding the bloodline.
IMO it's a shame and to much has been lost now.
It is getting harder and harder to put a hold on good staffords and keep them like that.
I just seen beau i like that way more mate, that a good looking bitch !!

 

well mr Beanie man ..its a real shame its come to this..! as i said i was trying to portrey an example of an old irish line in todays lite ..its alll kinda distracted from the original Posts & i apoligise for that ..! perhaps we can look foprward to a more understanding & friendly future ...............jj

 

Have to say...your full of bollox

 

blue stafford? irish/ english whatever breeding for color is not a true stafford imo, blue don't happen by accident, not saying this was intended but when I see a blue dog I consider it a mix. could be wrong but I doubt it.

the pics old tymer put up are staffords.

 

I've met many breed enthusiasts , but f**k me i have never met a bullshitting bunch of bullshitters than i have in the english/irish/french/taiwan stafford bull terrier, so up their own arse with self importance its unreal. Dont be fooled, own what you want and feed what you want, no matter what you own you will be slatted. 99% are pet worthy and 99% are just that, pets. But, those who feel the need to argue their worth from chinese whispers, get a life. You know who you are, ive read your crap and its just the same old "from the horses mouth" shiote. "In 1967 this happened" get the fuck over it... ill pay £3000 to the first who can bring me an irish (dublin bred , or whatever shiote) SBT and they can prove everything in their dogs pedigree, hell i will buy 5 ! Story tellers are a dime a dozen, johnnydark said it all when he was selling limerick blues, i have donegal smutts that have done more than a whore on speed, £300 discount to gamedog members... :rolleyes:

 

nice post lippy. someone had to say it.
1%.....one percenters are the best f#$k the rest.

 

One last thing before I finish this sight......What if?, Is there?, Has there? would there?, could there? just alot of questions....what does this make me if I carry on like this.......?
Answer: I don´t know a damn thing.

 

Good luck with your dogs the rest of ya.....cheers & have nice one

 

there were native bull n terrriers,bull terriers,bulldawgs, pit-dogs,or whatever you want to call them in ireland throughout the 1800s up to at least 1920s.maybe they were brought over from britain before that time but as far as i know all of those lines died out here(except through american pitbulls who carry these lines waaay back).if you check out colbys galtee,his parents were imported from a Mr hutton in ireland.Also a lot of the early american pit men had irish surnames i.e galvin,feeley,slattery,burke etc.My own great grandmother who was born 1n 1899 and died 1n 1998 said she remembered people going to dog fights.this would have been about 1910.it was never a hugely popular sport in rural ireland ,so there probably wasnt a very large population of these bull n terriers .the kerry blue terrier was known as a serious battler in them days also and as an uncontrollably psychotic guard dog,they have been ruined by the show fraternity these days though.
Incidentally i own a bitch who could pass for a litter sister to colbys galtee,tige etc.if I was dishonest I could make up some bullshit about her being an "original irish bulldawg" and sell pups for big bucks .she is a first cross plummer terrier/american pitbull and I.M.O the hardest hitting working terrier(underground on foxes) ive seen in this country.by the way have any of the british users of this forum ever heard of a dog called the Hackett white or "hacketts white" .he was used in the creation of the plummer terrier and was supposedly a legendary pit dog in british midlands.Im not sure exactly when he was born but id say around 1950s.
maybe anyone who remembers him is dead but any info would be greatly appreciated.Ill try and post apicture of my bitch once i figure out how to do it.

 

shes the bitch on the ground in my profile pic.the one in my arms is her half sister afull bred plummer terrier.

 

the hackett white, aka tarka was supposedly a stafford that was around in the early 60's BUT with like lots of other stuff plummer wrote, who knows if it is true, the man would make up stuff for entertainment value. later on he changed the whites breeding to an apbt, which was ludicrous as for 1 thing the pit bull was not known in the uk at the time and for another the dogs he named as sire and dam were born later than tarka !

 

for that kinda responce mate you are a complete Prick...! & deserve no respect ....arsehole...!

 

a lot of people like to talk in forums but very little show, I dont take shit serious until they show me dogs that impress me. anybody can and would talk about this dog and that one, but can you say your present stafford is worth talking about?. i feed and pick poo after my dogs, if you dont believe my dogs can be as good as any other, move on and dont say a word just show me your dog(s) is/are better than mine, Irish, English, American whatever.

 

thanks sunbeam.the plummer/apbt cross pups were interesting.all but one came out like turn of the century bull n terriers.both parents were stunning examples of their respective breeds.the dog was a 56 pound powerhouse apbt with unbelievable drive over a crazy game 13 pound plummer bitch.i didnt know the papers/breeding of the dog but he threw a lot of pups to apbt bitches with pure white heads and/or 1 blue eye(id be thinking a good bit of bolio/carver breeding but no idea really).the pups displayed extreme hybrid vigor,practically walked out of the womb.they all grew to about 25lbs in fully fit condition and about 14 inches.i was just wondering about that hackett dog because of my intrest in plummer terrier etc.brian plummer definately created an excellent breed of terrier(ive heard mixed reports about some though)
he seemed like a fairly strange guy though,he brought another mysterious bull terrier cross into them in the mid nineties shortly before he died.two of my pups were red and white rednoses with yellow/green eyes.so do you think the dog was ficticious or K.c staff or some unregistered bull terrier(did any unregistered game stafford strains survive ww2).thanks again for your help

 

Plummer put irish staff back in the in the 90's so that's where you yellow eye's come from after saying he would never put bull terrier back in the and wished he never did:rolleyes:.the man was full of shit I know.He was my school teacher lol.

 

was he your chemestry teacher bud? lol!