Ol' Time Badger Dogs

Yes Brenner some dog! It's interesting on that site when he talks about the dogs that Orday took back to the states from IRELAND, seems they proved themselves worthy.I wonder if they ever found their way under the radar in to a breeding program!

 

its food for thought alright, does anyone on here know how brindle devil met his end? i heard a story that he attacked a bull and got himself gored to death, but then recently got talking to a guy that really knew his dogs who told me that was bullshit... (excuse the pun):rolleyes:, and that he had documentation at home about what really happened to him but whatever way the conversation turned i never did get to find out what info he had

 

when REAL bull terriers are measured by how well they compete with english bull crosses , wheatons or glen of imaals ill care about these short, squat, keg on legs trial staffords.(no disrespect to all those who admire such animals...just venting)

 

i think its a matter of horses for courses, im only new on this site so i can only assume this piont has been made before , but i dont think ther is any need for comparison between a pit dog and a badger drawing dog. its the same as saying a patterdale terrier isnt worth respecting because it doesnt do the same job as an apbt. two different jobs, but i think all dogs mentioned above deserve respect in their own right. i dont mean any disrespect towards the apbt or its followers as i really do admire these dogs and am fully aware that there is no comparison to them in the [] , but apparently they have been tested on badger and do not measure up to the dogs you mentioned above at their job. apparently they make to much noise while working which as im sure you know was a big no no in the trials. the dogs you mentioned above were bred to work in silence.

 

hello brenner, just an opinion but i i disagree,there is a need for comparison if the dogs used are staffords, and are proclaimed to be good staffords at that. Staffords have a historical context as pit dogs,…..and should always be judged on how close to, or far from their true historical context they are.
　
　

no its like saying a patterdale isnt worth respecting as a true representitive of a patterdale,when it has evolved and developed specifically to compete with pitdogs, as a pitdog,

funny,they dont measure up because of noise...thats a good one.

 

Sorry guys in my previous post I spoke about the dogs ORDAY took to the U.S.A.It was Al Brown not Orday. I think one of the dogs was SHANTY OF DUBLIN. Again, apologies.

 

hello tigerlines, i think i need to bring you back to your original post when you mentioned TRIAL staffs. to me that means you are talking of staffs that HAVE been bred towards badger work, you also mentioned wheatens and glens again badger dogs so i must say i think the patterdale example wasnt to far off the mark. also i see your amussed by the statement about working noise and that is fair enough if we have got are wires crossed and you do not mean to look down your nose at trial dogs in comparison to the pitt. but if that was your intention you should know that just as these dogs mentioned above (with the exception of a few known staffords) would not compare in the [], the pitbull in general and most pit crosses that have been tried could not have made the grade as trial dogs due being noisy while working. barking, crying , growling at the quarry was seen as a weakness and as i said previously was a big no no in the trials, as dogs would have lost points for this

 

38lb f.b.k dog was the best dog i see on them,he was a machine

 

thank you for the reply brenner, trial staffords are a myth , show stock dogs bred DOWN, for TRIAL WORK......................NO BETTER THAN SHOW STOCK STAFFORDS STRAIGHT OUT THE BACK OF AN ADMAG.........SHORT , FAT, KEG ON LEG BULL TERRIERS COMPETING WITH TERRIERS..........YOU ARE FREE TO BELIEVE IN FAIRYS DOWN THE END OF YOUR GARDEN.......BUT BULL TERRIERS TESTED ON BADGERS AND TRIAL STAFFORDS BRED TO REPEATEDLY TAKE HOLD AND BE PULLED OUT OF ARTIFICIAIL SETS ARE NOT THE SAME THING........THE LEGEND SUPPPORTS WHAT????..............PUPPY PEDDLING OF DOGS WITH AN INFLATED ANCESTRY.....OWN A FIT ONE NOT A FAT ONE......THE LATEST CRAZE....IRISH/OLD TYME STAFFORD ..............................

 

hey tigerlines, leave the fairies outa this ! next your gonna be tellin me theres no such thing as santaclause. seriously though tigerlines i think your right in what your saying about trial staffords being bred down from show dogs, but it needs to be said that these show dogs were not like the bench kegs you see today. the show staffs your speaking of had been tested in the pit or were direct descendents of pit dogs. i also see you make a comparison between dogs that competed under trial rules and bull dogs that were tested privatly in the field but these trial dogs were tested on badger outside of trial rules aswell but apparrently a noisy performance is still not good enough under any circumstances.

 

brenner, your free to admire these dogs to your hearts content, cool with me.
but a trial dog is a badger drawing dog, and a badger drawing dog is a terrier..............a badger baiting dog is a bull terrier........and bull blood has always been detrimental to a terrier persuit for one reason, and it isnt noise, its because they will fight the creature, and a good terrier knows better than to do that.....

 

hey tiger lines. i had a look back through a few of your old posts, " know thy enemy" and all that. it seems you know your stuff on your breed of choice and im sure theres a alot i could learn from you about your breed , but now that ive paid you your due respect im gonna go out on a limb and guess that you dont have first hand experience of irish working dogs. as you said the bull blood thats added to terriers does make them harder and makes them silent but the bull blood thats added is not p.bull blood its working staff and e.b.t blood thats been added with success to the wheaten and glen. i think its also important to stress that what your calling a trial dog is a dog most men would use to bait badgers week in week out that also happened to compete in trials