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nutrition when conditioning

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by CesarT, Jul 19, 2016.

  1. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

  3. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

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  6. NatureBoy

    NatureBoy Big Dog

  7. NatureBoy

    NatureBoy Big Dog

    Meant to give you a hand clap!!
     
  8. F.R.O.G.S

    F.R.O.G.S Pup

    Mr.Slim has his shit together. One would be wise to listen to this man in regards to nutrition.

    Lots of people tend to believe what they're told or hear when it's the answer they want, and tend to disregard or doubt when it isn't.
    Open minds have virtually endless possibilities and opportunities, closed minds lye stagnant.
     
  9. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    I don't buy the 8 weeks for a dog to get used to feed .
     
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  10. F.R.O.G.S

    F.R.O.G.S Pup

    For a complete, stable and successful transition, I do. I also have participated and seen it first hand. I'm sure there's variences between individual dogs and circumstances, but six to eight weeks is about right in my opinion.
     
  11. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    So your saying it takes 8 weeks for your body to get used to the food before you start ? And why would there be any variations between dogs on food ?
     
  12. F.R.O.G.S

    F.R.O.G.S Pup

    Start what? And yes, the digestive system needs time to adjust. One only needs to see what happens when you go from kibble to raw to see that's a fact. As far as "variations", have you ever had a dog with a sensitive digestive system as opposed to one with an iron gut? I have one of each right here. I gotta ask, have you ever personaly flipped a dog from kibble to raw?
     
  13. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    A work schedule . You say that but I don't think that is true . Maybe it's just me lol . I haven't seen a weak stomach unless it was to rich . But I don't have lines that most have and I don't see health problems . I haven't feed raw but brazed so no . It's doesn't take 8 weeks to get a dog used to the feed . Why would it take 2 months to get used to the feed and the 2 months more eating it ? Just asking ? I didn't read any of the science stuff so just was wanting to know Slim and Frogs .
     
  14. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    It all depends on each and every individual dog. Some can acclimate themselves faster to a change in diet and some cannot as there can be many factors involved.
     
  15. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The biggest variation is work. If Dog A is a barn burner is everything he does and has to be fed a lot to maintain weight, he in turn will acclimate faster. I would say 6-8 weeks. The dog that works but not at that break neck pace is in the 8-9-10 weeks.

    S
     
  16. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    Opinions, experience:
    • raw vs cooked vs processed (grain free kibble like Orijen/Acana) with regard to digestion and assimilation of protein and fats.
    Other proteins?
    • eggs
    • dairy/yogurt
    Article regarding hydration: sled dogs train and compete in cold temperatures; are their nutritional requirements different than the warm weather athlete?
     
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  17. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The dog will use what he is accustomed to for energy and recovery. If one has a normal maintenance diet out of a bag and he also has a keep feed when he switches it will take app. 8 weeks for that dog to use the keep feed as optimally as desired.

    Initially the first adjustment will be the stool. It will get a little loose but will tighten in a day or two. The second thing will be a coat that looks a little better. Noticeably within a few days to a week.

    If a dog is use to a certain type of food and he is switched to a high end keep diet his body will in a sense "search out the proteins and carbs' in the new diet to use as energy and recovery. In time the high end dog food will be all he has to assimilate and he will adjust. This process takes 8-10 weeks.

    The primary thing that affects this time period is how hard the dog works. The break neck pace dog will acclimate faster. The dog that works but not at a break neck pace will acclimate a little slower.

    The next thing that affects the time period is the quality of food and supplementation prior to the switch to keep feed. The shittier the food choice prior to the change pushes the acclimation period a little further out.

    Most every one who has ever worked a dog, and switched the food and started the pre-keep/keep has one experience in common. Around week 7-8 the dog makes a huge stride in performance, recovery and his water weight is dialed in. He is peaking or getting ready to peak. Nothing changed from week 6 to 7, or 7 to 8. Same food, same dog work is slightly increasing but the dogs make a jump during that time. Why? Beacause at 6-7-8 weeks it all has come together the dog is being properly fueled for what is being asked.

    A person that does not do the switch 6-8 weeks out but has done numerous keeps and can pretty much know where the dog should be day in and day out should try it. What they will find is the dog will hit that 'end of the keep stride' way earlier and will continue to get better.

    I have several posts on here where I admit the science is the reasoning for how things happen when working dogs. But at the same time there is no science strictly for the bulldog. We take what we can and apply it the best we can. As much science that is involved it still takes that eye. When the 'eye' is required it becomes more art than science.

    If something is working most are hard pressed to change. If a person was winning feeding corn flakes and cabbage it would be a tough sale to get them to change. But if they tried a change and it worked, that in turn would become the gospel.

    Not saying my gospel is your gospel, but give it a whirl. I did and I am a believer.

    S
     
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  18. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I feed mostly raw. I do use dry food in the cold winter months for cheap calories and a slower digestion rate for body warmth. In the keeps it is just about completely raw with a little dry food to keep the dog from going completely empty. I fade the dry toward the end so they will be completely empty as I dial them the last four to five days. I would rank RAW #1.

    Eggs and yogurts are good. I feed the eggs raw, but most suggest soft boiling. I am not sure why, but raw has always worked for me. I may need to give it a try soft boiled and see if I can see a difference. ????

    I'm no sled dog guy so I can only answer with what I have read. Take it with a grain of salt. They can handle a much higher concentration of fats. They can handle the high density fish proteins that take more energy to burn because they work longer, at a medium to high intensity pace over a lot of miles. Their coat and outside temperature allow for the fish type proteins and fats. The bulldog on the other hand will not see those harsh climates and will be put up in a warm dry spot to rest and recover so it is a lot like apples and oranges.

    S
     
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  19. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    Not buying this 1 Slim if your saying they need time to get used to the food before you start a work schedule .
     
  20. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    I have to ask, OG. Do you believe there is a period of time when the dog is adjusting to the new food? If so, how long do you believe it is?
     

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