Northford Stuff!

Brindle,Brooke,Minter,Pepper,Conan etc,etc...Ive seen these names come up quite alot were they any good or just bred the arse of to make£££££ ive seen no articles etc...of them so any info would appreciate it.

 

I think Brooke was put Psycho and they produced Ch Marvin 4xw and Ruby 1xw.

 

Yeah Blanco cheers.I know what they produced im just asking if any of these were any good. alot of people know about psycho and the rest ie articles etc,etc.. but nothing is wrtten about these ones.

 

Yeah i know. Been looking around for the sami info my self but not much to find

 

The legendary "Champion Psycho" is the back bone of the Psycho strain bred down from "The great Geronimo".Psycho proved himself many times, before his premature death aged six in an accidental kennel fight. However many notable dogs carry his name in their pedigree's such as Ch.Marvin,Lee's Max,Rickey,Jocko,Milo,Beanie,Judas, Ffb's Jack, HaglerII, Northford Ruby and Eastford's Storm amongst others. He was not the prettiest of dogs but then he was bred for performance not looks,earning the title of Champion the hard way..."Handsome is what handsome doe's"....Psycho was the winner of four matches,losing his fifth to Ch.Stormer a very good Staff/English Bull Terrier cross.There is some English Bull Terrier blood in the Psycho line but this is so far back that it is of little or no significance today. What is important though is the addition of the "Northford" strain,which is basically the introduction of blood from "Derry Macash Rascal" bred to "Wolf Island Rose"(Wolf Island Boy X Northern Queen)to produce the "Northern Rust" dog. Derry Macash Rascal and his son Northern Rust were both bred to "Mcgrath's Sheila" and gave "Northford Barney"(male)and "Northford Spice"(female) respectively,when "Barney" was bred to "Spice" they produced "Northford Brooke" a bitch who was said to be "cold".When Brooke was lined by Ch.Psycho they produced the very game little "Ch.Marvin" a four time winner,losing his fifth to the exceptional "Gr.Ch.Rocky".Marvin was said to be anything but cold! This mating was also responsible for"Northford Ruby" who was a top producing bitch herself. Regarding "cold" bitches, It is said that Earl Tudor told Maurice Carver & Danny Burton to breed from your cold bitches,his theory being that a cold bitch would throw what was bred to her, as her genes were submissive and would not pass on to the offspring if bred to a good proven male.So perhaps there is something in this theory. Apparently Miss Spike, Awesome Baby and Mimms Flo were all as cold as a harsh winter, yet all three hold R.O.M status.

Source: Turnstyle Staffords

 

NO they were shite thats why they produced a 4 x winner.....

 

Listen Maxwell all i was asking was did those dogs that i mentioned in my initial post do anything.Everyone knows about Psycho and the other well known ones.Just for arguments sake. Take 'brooke' I dont know what she did or dint do but she produced a 4x winner that does not automaticly make her a good bitch now does it? I didnt write the post to come and get into an argument about it ok.I actually did it so i can maybe learn something new.so if you aint got anything constrctive to say i sugest you butt out!

 

I was told by someone that seen conan hunt with a pit with conan coming out on top and was told he was a good one.

 

cheers jack the lad

 

I would use my imagination and as most of the fella's that had those lines were working men... i would like to think that they would only of bred to decent working animals...I'm sure most the dogs you mentioned would of been looked at....Ruby was a very game little bitch

 

fair enough.cheers Maxwell thanks for your reply.

 

Re: Northford Stuff! below is a cross post

The Northford/Psycho​

strain.​

The Northford / Psycho Strain is probably the most known strain of what is referred to as the Irish Stafford’s. Like the formation of the Dublin Red Strain, the formation originated with good quality English Stafford’s sent over to Ireland and bred for one purpose only, to work.
Brinstock Glenagow - Black Tiger - Cork Rose
The well known English Staffordshire Bull Terrier breeder, Bill Boylan bred one of his Ch. Stafford's, Ch. Brinstock Glenagow to a bitch called Dealer's Delight. This mating produced the start of a very game line of dogs, starting with a dog called Black Tiger. This famous trail dog changed owners a great many times and was bred many times. His owners include names like Terry Byrne, George Hegarty and Gerry Allen. This dog was put across a bitch called Cork Rose, who was owned by George Hegarty and if you take a look at Psycho's pedigree, you will see her name 6 times in the 4th generation. Cork Rose was also put across George Crotty's Sam and Tom Haughey's North Star, who’s Sire and Dam were straight Stafford/EBT crosses.
When Black Tiger was mated to Cork Rose they produced a dog that became very known in the Irish Trails as a very good badger dog. This dog was known as The Great Geronimo and as a result of his performance in the trials you will find many top class dogs that has his name in their pedigrees. Geronimo was also put across a bitch called Evergreen’s Tiny Peggy who was also known as Doneal Flynn’s Old Peggy producing Allen’s Peggy.
Geronimo - Major
When Allen’s Peggy was mated to Martin Walsh’s Whitey the result was Allen’s Major and Molly. Major was said to have won a few matches and were also said to be as game as any other well bred Stafford and his sister Molly was used in the badger trails and unfortunately got a cut in her artery and bled to death out on a dig, but before her death she was put to her brother Major and from this breeding Gerry Allen got three pups.
Allen’s Bruce was a white male who died from an illness when he was about one year old. Hanlon’s Rahora Lass was a white female with a black patch over her left eye. She was a very small bitch (under 30lbs) and ended up on the yard of P. Murphy who also had the Stormer dog.
Rahora Lass - Psycho a.k.a. Hagler
Psycho’s first match was against C. Mc.C’s Rocky a two time winning dog who was going for his championship. The match was held at 40lbs top, with T. Lee acting as referee. Psycho won in 37 minutes.
His second match was against Bo & Chester’s Nero, with the match held at 40lbs top. T. Lee acted as referee and Nero was picked up 1hr 02mins, making Psycho the winner.
His third was a rematch against Bo & Chester’s Nero. The other party wanted the match at 42lbs, but at the weigh-in both dogs were under 40lbs. “John-the-dog” of London refereed and Psycho won his championship in 1hr 51mins.
His fourth was against Declan Gilling’s Black Sam a very hard biting one-time winner. The match was held at 42lbs top, but this time Sam wouldn't scratch at 29 minutes making Ch. Psycho the winner.
His fifth was against Murphy & Cooper’s Stormer, with the match being held at 43lbs top. Boston Blacky of Bronson Kennels acted as referee. Ch. Psycho weighed in at 40 1/4lbs and Stormer the bigger dog at 42lbs. Stormer had the best of the later half of the match and Stevie B picked Ch. Psycho up at 1hr 03mins, making Stormer the winner.
Stormer - Psycho
After his retirement Psycho unfortunately died in a kennel fight with one of his sons named Moonshine out of Northford Brady. After this accident, Moonshine was rolled into many dogs and it was said that he was a good dog. It was however also said that he quit at more than one occasion, first into a Stafford named Lance after 12 minutes and then when he met an APBT out of Ed Reid's lines he wouldn't start. After this he was matched twice and rumor says that he died after the second match.
Moonshine
All the dogs in Ch. Psycho’s pedigree were tested out and proved to be game in the badger trails of Ireland and much has been said about this breeding. There are many who will say that Ch. Psycho were not a pure Stafford strain since there are some EBT blood in this breeding and in my opinion they are right.
There is a small amount of EBT blood in this line and it comes from Haughey's North Star as both his Sire and Dam were Stafford / EBT crosses. A friend from Derry, Ireland wrote us a letter saying that the strain contained some EBT blood and I'll quote his words.
”I can say that the Psycho blood is not pure Staff blood, and in that pedigree you will see the name Rowdy. She was owned by Tom Haughey when I met him in Lurgan Trail 1962-63. She was a first class badger bitch who was 1/2 bred Stafford X Bull Terrier. She produced two great sons, Tom's own North Star and his litter brother Blunder's Lad, owned by Jerry McIntyre, who is the brother to Jerome McIntyre. When "Rowdy produced these two sons the Sire was Kilwickie Lad, a great badger dog in the early 1960's, and he too was a 1/2 bred Stafford to Bull Terrier. However, all blood lines produce good and bad. So you take it as you find it.”
Kilwilkie Lad
Ricky sold Ch. Psycho to Stevie, which renamed him to Ch. Hagler and apart from now owning the well known Psycho, Stevie already had made a name for himself with his prefix "Northford" and his line of dogs. Being from Northern Ireland, he simply took North out of Northern and added ford out of Stafford and voila, a new prefix was born. A closer look at the pedigrees of the Northford dogs will show you that these dogs goes back to good game proven badger dogs, and when put to Psycho a new Strain became known as the Northford / Psycho Strain.
The foundation dogs to the Northford strain were from the same lines as the Flynn strains along with some game show lines that were tested in the Irish Trail. If we follow their pedigrees (below and in the pedigree section) we should be able to find common ancestors on both the Sire and Dam's side.
Let's start with Allen's Geronimo dog. Nicky Sheehan owned a sister of Geronimo and when she was put to Billy Rickard's Tyrone of Cuileog she produced Jackie Adams' Socks aka Derry Macash Rascal and Dick Holland's Mournview Chieftain, which were both known in Ireland for their ability at the badger trails.
Northford Bruce was a half brother of these two well known dogs on the Sire's side and when put to Northford Piggy from the Rapparee line they produced Dave Cooper's Old Sheila, which when bred to Tom Haughey's Northern Rust out of Pinky Fleville's Wolf Island Rose and Derry Macash Rascal produced Northford Sheila II. When Sheila II was put to Ch. Psycho it resulted in Northford Minter, Pepper, Jonah, Silver and Blue Bell.
Rascal - Jonah
Minter - Pepper
Silver - Blue Bell
Derry Macash Rascal and his son Northern Rust were both put to a bitch called McGrath's Sheila, and when put to Derry Macash Rascal she produced both Northford Brindle and Northford Spice and when put to Northern Rust she produced Northford Barley and Northford Trooper. Trooper and Spice gave Northford Cheyenne and when Spice and Barley were put together they gave Northford Brooke, which when put to Ch. Psycho produced Ch. Marvin and Northford Ruby, which was a 1 x winner.
Marvin was known as a 4 x Winner and some say that he also was good at weight pulling too. In his 5th match Marvin lost to a dog called Rocky, who was out of pure show lines. Rocky later on became a Gr. Ch after beating a dog called Bomber in 1 hour and 10 minutes. Marvin's matches against Susie and Rocky were reported as below.
Marvin
Matt P's Susie * Terry T's Marvin M/F31 Bill T.​

Susie a red bitch from an Oscar bloodline. Marvin a 28 Lb male, a son of Ch. Psycho.
Marvin ahead when he turns at 8.
Marvin is the stronger and while Susie does well from the bottom she wont run her 2nd
Winner Terry T's Marvin 26 min
Ch. Rocky -V- Ch. Marvin 32 Lbs Top​

Rocky dominated and controlled Marvin who was forced to fight from the bottom.
Marvin was able to punish the chest from underneath but Rocky being stronger and rangier pulled steadily ahead, and at 1:48 Marvin's owner was forced to pick up a very game animal. Marvin made a game tumbling scratch tail up and waging.
Winner: Ch. Rocky 1:48
Ruby
Candy is a 34 Lbs Staff/Bull cross.
Ruby 32 Lbs is a Ch. Psycho/ Northford full bred Staff, a late replacement for a guy that withdrew.
Candy has an awesome bite and punishes shoulder and chest for 10 Minutes when Ruby's handler calls a turn on her. Ruby runs a hard scratch at 12, gets on top, and Candy won't at 17
Winner: Northford Ruby 17 minutes
Marvin's sister Ruby was mated to Northford Jonah, who was her half brother and produced a 2 x Winner called Hagler II and his litter brother Northford Whitey. She was also put to Dock's Gr. Ch Duke producing McGill's Buster and Sahlen's Victor. Victor was sent to Sweden and there have been some stories about Victor being used for Elk hunting in Sweden, but that is in my opinion pure bullshit. When Victor was put across a bitch called Charlotte she produced Daisy which in turn produced a 1 x Winner named Fearless Jim, who went 2,5 Kilo's uphill against J.H.'s Red strain dog "Big Red" and won in 17 minutes. Jim was game tested prior to the match against a imported APBT from Ed Reid's Skipper ROM and went 6,5 Kilo's uphill before he was finally picked up more or less dead, but game at 29 minutes. Jim was put across a daughter of McGill's Buster, Bayfarm's Red Ant, who was originally bought by a kennel in Sweden and was given as a gift to Eastford Kennels where she was renamed to Eastford's Sally.
Duke
Buster - Victor
Sally
Eastford's Sally was said to be a very good bitch, but unfortunately the first owner wanted her back since she was tested. She was given back on one condition, that she should be bred with Sahlen's Victor and the deal was made and hands were shaken, but the original owner for no obvious reason put the Sally bitch to sleep soon after. Sally was said to be an above average game bitch with a hard bite. Her 2 first rolls were against APBT's were she did well, and then she was rolled with different Staffords before she was game tested. She was matched against an APBT, a Jeep/Tonka bitch at 14,5 kilos and were locked to the Jeep bitch with a nose hold and was in the lead when she was picked up at 25 since she went into shock.
She was put to the Jim dog and she had a litter of nine, but the four females in the litter died when they were born, leaving Eastford kennels with 5 males. Three of the males from that litter were tested and out of those three, Chico and Balder were rolled at the age of 8 months old and went for 27 minutes before both were picked up and Spock was very promising, but unfortunately got an illness and had to be put to sleep.
Spock
While Ricky owned Ch. Psycho he was put to Lee’s Cykes a very good one-time loser (1:30) out of Barriskill's Cindy by Lee's Crib. All the other matings were done by Stevie and the Farmer Boys.
Cykes - Crib
The mating with Cykes produced two very good males, Lee’s Mac who died when he was about a year old and Lee’s Max a very good one-time loser (2:15). When put across Northford Blaze out of McCain's Bitch by Allen's Major, Max sired Farmers Boys Jocko and when put across Cykes he produced Carroll’s Sally. Jocko was then put across his half sister Sally to produce Carroll's Ceasar, which in turn was put across Carrol's Tammy, a daughter of Sally by Lee's Butch, resulting in Ricky's Rocky Lee.
Max - Jocko
Rocky
Jocko was also put across Lofty's Beanie out of Caughey's Susie Q by Scratch Kennel's Hagler II, producing Bullpower's Merlin, East Street's Junior, Wood's Rock and when put across Northford Tara, out of Northford Angel by Northford Conan it resulted in East Street Kennel's Kerry, which was put back to Jocko to produce Judas, Bogar and China.
Angel - Conan - Tara
Judas - China
Judas was sent to BMC in Holland and some years back Judas was sent to the UK where he ended his life. China was also put across Scratch Kennel's Hagler II and produced 1 bitch and 3 dogs and later on China and the bitch called Storm and one of the dogs called Herbie went to Eastford Kennels. East Streets Mac and Grip remained in the UK.
Storm - Herbie
Scratch Kennel's Hagler II was reputed to be a very good dog and it is said that he won two matches, one being against Bobby & Winty's Psycho II, a Stafford / EBT cross, which was said to be a 2 x Winner out of Ch. Marvin and a EBT called "Sprig", who was said to be a 1 x winner. Hagler II's match against Psycho II was reported in Pit Bull News as below.
Hagler 2
Scratch Kennel's Hagler II -V- Bobby & Winty's Psycho II Stafford's Male -36 Lb​

Psycho II starts the scratching at 12 minutes, and after 8 each he's picked up at 1.12,
giving a game stumbling scratch.
The winner flies his courtesy
Winner: Scratch Kennels "Hagler II".
Hagler II were mated with several bitches, passing on his qualities and in turn they also passed it on to their litter and so on. One of the bitches that Hagler II was put across was a Stafford / EBT cross which was said to be a 2 x Winner called Caughey's "Judy", which was out of Lee's Max and Smith's "Bitch", a game proven EBT. This mating resulted in a dog which later was matched under the name Scratch Kennel's Rickey. Rickey had a few owners in his time, but he ended up at Eastford Kennels where he ended his life at the age of 15.
Rickey
Scratch Kennels Ricky -v- Mick's Henry. Stafford males 38lb​

Scratching starts at 11 minutes and after 9 each at 1:45 Henry is picked up and gives game courtesy.
Ricky flies his courtesy
Winner: Scratch Kennel's Rickey 1:45.
Beanie
Hagler II was also mated with a bitch called Caughey's Susie Q, out of Farmer Boys Peggy by Farmer Boys Zack and the result was Lofty's Beanie, a 2xw. She was bred twice when she was owned by Lofty before he sold her to the Flanders Field Boys in Holland where she ended her life. When Beanie was put to Milo, which was out of Farmer Boys Blue Bell by Farmer Boys Blue, she produced a dog called Ben and a bitch called Beanie II.
Beanie II - Milo
Beanie II was put across East Streets Mac (Hagler II x China) and produced FFB's Beanie III, which has been put to FFB's Jack.
Beanie III
Beanie was then put to the Jocko dog and produced 3 dogs, Merlin showed good in his first roll when he stopped an APBT in 25 minutess, after this Merlin quit when rolled in to Rustlers Ch Bilko going 3 lbs uphill in 30 minutes, the second was Jocko Jr, he was game proven but had terrible wind, the 3th male was Rock he was rolled a few times and passed away due to cancer not long ago.
In the hands of the Flanders Field Boys, Beanie was put to FFB's Barney, FFB's Pilot, Eastford's Rickey and FFB's Jack. When put to Barney, Beanie produced 4 bitches and 2 dogs. Nero died young looked promising in his early rolls. Flynn was a deep game dog that were very hard tested and won 2 matches. Droopy lost his only match when he was over conditioned by a formal partner, he had top class ability but lacked bite. Slane was said to be a cur and Sharon was a very game bitch, but with limited ability and no mouth.Beth was a very small 27lbs bitch with a hard mouth, good wind and more then enough ability and was tested severely hard going many pounds uphill on different occasions always in to APBT's.
Nero - Flynn
When put to Pilot out of Fair & Square's Midge by Fair & Square's Milo, Lofty's Beanie produced 5 dogs and 3 bitches, but a couple was lost when one of their partners was raided. 2 of the males quit when rolled hard at very young age, both had good bite and ability but was ruined as young dogs. A dog called Tyson was 2 dogged once and nearly killed both dogs. He was the best match worthy dog of that litter, but his owner dropped out. A bitch called Fly is still alive and has very good ability and is proven game.
Pilot
Droopy - Suzie
When FFB’s Droopy was put to Pride of the Irish Suzie, out of Judas X Fly, the result was 3 dogs en 6 bitches incl, Pride of the Irish Beanie and Dizzy Devil.
Beanie IIII - Dizzy Devil
When Beanie was put to Eastford's Rickey she produced 2 dogs and 4 bitches. Rickey Jr proved dead game in his last match when he beat a Snooty/Eli bred APBT called 2Pac in 1hour10. Jack won over another Stafford called War paint in 45 minutes. Pebbles was cold and ended up in the US. Ruby was two dogged at Eastford's yard and proved to be deep game. Judy quit twice at Eastford's yard, first after 12 minutes, then again at 20 minutes. Benshi looked very promising in her first roll but was taken by the RSPCA.
Pebbles - Ruby
Rickey Jr.
" Flanders Field Boys "Rickey Jr" vs Looney Tunes "2Pac". Males 42lbs. Ref JP.​

Rickey Jr a Irish Staff sired by Eastford's Rickey out of Flanders Field's Beanie 2Pac an APBT Basically Eli/Snooty bred with a dash of Tonka, Sired by Nasty Boy's Sumo out of Bad Manners Combine's Sister X.
Rickey Jr takes the early lead but blows up at 10 with 2Pack showing a hard mouth and taking over.
Rickey Jr trying all he can to keep him out by the ear!
At 25 it's even with both turns in front, Rickey Jr gets more ahead after the 50 min mark.
2Pac makes a slow 7th at the hour mark and Rickey runs a hard one at 1Hour and 5 minutes.
2Pac is counted out on his next at the 1 Hour and 10 minutes mark!
Winner: Flanders Field Boys "Rickey Jr" 1hour and 10 minutes.
Jack
Henk's Warpaint" Vs "FFB's Jack"(Staff Males 38Ibs)​

"Warpaint" is Rapparee breeding,"Jack" is "Irish" bred.
"Warpaint" starts very rough but"Jack" holds him out by the ear.
"Warpaint" drives in hard but finds nothing but fresh air.
"Jack" starts the scratching at 15 mins and takes the lead.
"Warpaint" goes across at 30 but runs into trouble and is picked up at 45.
"Jack" makes a rocket courtesy scratch,"Warpaint" refuses to complete his.
Winner:"FFB's Jack
Jack was put across his Dam Beanie and produced 1 dog and 4 bitches, out of which they kept a dog and a bitch, and sent the rest to Lofty.​

 

I really like the way all the info is combined with photos, thank you.

 

Good read thanks for posting.

 

cheers oldtymer good post

 

Droopy was a 1xL (quit) he was from the first mating the FFB's did with Beanie by putting Barney to her the best from that litter was a small bitch called Beth she was rated as been as good if not better than Beanie herself!! she was never matched due to her small size, also in the litter was Flyn (2xw) Nero (game but died young) Slaine (Quit) and Sharron (1xw).

 

funny how history changes
pilot was not bred to beanie ( the sire was a dog called nero)
judas was not bred to fly but a littermate sister
the sire of that litter with fly was a small dog called beavis out of a dog called tonkey

 

wasn't beth a brindle KC bitch they had well before beanie. |??

 

or was that betty.. feck i forget

 

There was a fella once who had a lil pincher gyp
he bred her to a small pitbull several times, he than advertised the dogs in the local newspaper as irish red noses very rare strain within the irish staffs bla bla
dogs went like crazy

I forgot all about it when just a week ago I ran into a guy who told me his dogs were from this famous irish strain.
I just chuckled and went my own way