New Ukc Weightpull Record

Hmmmmm....

This thread took a turn...a very interesting one!

 

I don't want to be the bearer of crappy thoughts of anything, but I really prefer how Riden Dirty has been taught to pull over the original poster's dogs.

I don't get teaching your dogs to weight pull by jumping, hopping, and slamming their weight into the harness. Notice how Dirty buckles down, grips the carpet, and pulls without hopping and jerking? Looks so much better for the dog in my opinion, I really don't like folks who teach their dogs to pull with the hopping bullshit. Words or bait toys, all the same in my opinion, if you are having your dog jerk and hop I don't think you are doing it right.

Your dogs look great OP and its really cool your Dane is pulling too - I just don't agree with the way you guys have them pull. Please don't take too much offense.

 

COLD: I already changed it that Change was beat by your dog, in the gallery, before you even posted on here. I would have edited in this post, but, I already edited the 1st one and it won't let you edit 2 times. I was only thinking about who got all of the points, for our titles. For some reason (either you're not UKC registered or you dog's don't have UWP's yet) I got the 15 bonus points. No, I did not get the ribbon on Sunday, that was you, congrats. I was impressed by your dogs. I did not post that, to 'mis-inform' people.

YES, DIRTY BEAT CHANGE, check out the gallery, I changed it before you were even on here.

Less, the Great Dane, pulled 10,640 pounds (2 times, 5 minutes a part) about 15 feet on Saturday(the day you were not at the pull). I pulled him on Sunday (when you were there) because my mother was feeling ill. He's not my dog and did not pull as well for me, on day 2. He may have done it for her, or he may not have, we'll never know.
I didn't say anything about Versace, not getting the %. He pulled well. That's a hell of a %, especially for a 74 pound dog.

This thread was created to inform everyone of what a great weekend we had, not to mis-inform people of our accomplishments.

 

Advinia, A lot of the hopping and jumping dogs do is actually how they want to pull and it's hard to untrain them to do it. It's not something I have ever seen anyone purposely teach their dogs. But, I had a dog who did at and we just decided to stop pulling him because he wouldnt stop jumping. It's a frustration thing from what I've seen.

It feels heavy, so they are jerking it to get it to go. My own dog jumped the fence at 2 IWPA pulls because he couldn't go forward, so he said F it and went Sideways.

On the other hand, our dogs that dig have done this on their own. We are trying to teach the youngest puller (hasn't competed yet) not to hop or jerk but she is stubborn. So, as I said teaching them NOT to jerk is hard. . But, its not good for them to do it they can injure themselves. Which is why we stopped pulling that male.

 

Advina: I did not teach the dog to pull that way. It's just 'his style'. I've used leashes to keep his head low, but, he goes back to doing it that way. If you watch the black dog, she pulls just like dirty's dogs. Change, just like's to hop. I know it's not ideal, but, it just happened that way.

We've been involved in weightpull for about 2 years. Maybe/apparently Dirty's owner is more knowledgeable and knows how to teach a dog to pull better due to experience and training techniques.

No offense was really taken, just want you to know that it was not 'intentional' on wanting them to hop. I'd prefer, that he pulled like Dirty

 

I guess I did not word my thoughts entirely well.

I don't mean that everyone with a hopper has trained them that way. However many people do encourage it with bait toys and by being right up in the dogs face yelling when it pulls, adding to the frustration factor for the dog. For example you'll notice a difference in management styles between the OP and his mom, and the person who owns Dirty. The OP's dog all HOP and they motivate the dogs by getting directly into the dogs face and leaving a short gap for the dog to try to close, which I think is more likely to lead to hopping if the dog only things it has to get across this small space to get its toy or owner. I think the dog is far more likely to hop and jump if you are right in his face and he is trying to reach you from a short distance, than if he sees you down at the end of the pull line. I could be off base, but this is my personal opinion for observing hundreds of people handling their dogs and how the resulting dogs pulled.

However, that is not to say that all hopping dogs have been trained that way, but what I meant to get across was very similar to your opinion - if I had a dog that jerked and hopped while pulling I would be working to retrain his pulling techniques, and if he did not stop jerking I would retire him. Too much stress on the dogs joints and too many chances for damage when they are jerking while pulling.

 

Anyone w/ information on how to correct my dog's form (the white dog, if you watch the video) shoot me a pm, if you're willing

I'd love to listen to people's opinions on how to change this. He's just over 2, so, I guess he can still change, right?????

 

I'm glad you are not offended, this is something I've been interested in and forming opinions on for quite some time. I think a lot of it might have to do with distance and frustration. Obviously bait toys often encourage the hopping because the dog is trying to jump and quickly close the gap between it and its toy - which is why most dogs you see being baited hop (a lot of Philipino shows I see this in).

I'm not saying you taught you dog that way on purpose, I just think I would really concerned about his body condition pulling that much weight in such a way. They are your dogs, but I think if I couldn't get them to pull smoothly I would seriously consider retiring my dogs, or at least have a very long and serious talk with a vet that is knowledgeable in canine bone and muscle issues and see what they recommended. I get scared when I see dogs hopping to pull.

 

MOOT-THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION...this is the second UKC show our dogs have attented-thats why your dogs was awarded the points on Sunday.

ADIVINA- I agree with everything that you have said- "you sure you havn't been pulling?"

 

Nope, just observing and researching for years. I've had a couple online and in person mentors as well who have gone through training and pulling techniques with me. I want to know the pulling game like the back of my hand before I get a dog and start working it.

Thanks for the kind words, hopefully that means my research and observation has paid off and that I've learned some useful things over the years that will help me when I start pulling with my own canine athlete.

 

****STOP BSL

I HAVE TO STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THIS SUBJECT.
I HAVE BEEN WEIGHTPULLING FOR A LONG TIME AND IT HAS TAKEN US SOME TIME HOW TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM BUT AS YOU CAN SEE " WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM ANYMORE- WE FIGURED IT OUT..LOL"

"THAT HOPPING AND JERKING CAN BE FIXED" - Our dog "dirty" started off that way! That strecthing out and staying low to the ground is taught to them- it's not something they inherent naturally- they are taught how to pull correctly and consistantly. (that's not to say that their arn't dogs out their who won't naturally try to stay low and grab carpet.) If you look at all our YOUTUBE VIDEOS you will see that all our dogs have a consistant style along the board. Now our dogs style isn't an easy thing to be taught, it's taken many years to figure out how to Do it. This is why we charge "what we charge for training." The point of what I'm trying to get at is- their is a way to stop your dog !

*ALSO- I have to agree on another note with ADIVINA: JUMPING AND HOPPING can be dangerous, and causes you to lose valuable time, not to mention your dog spends way to much time barking, jumping,hopping...etc..which in effect causes your dog not to be able to pull at 100%...


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YES YES YOU GOT IT RIGHT ON THE MONEY!

 

Cold River i never said anything to the effect of it "cannot be fixed" I actually stated that we are in the process of training a new pull dog not to do that.

So, you don't disagree with me, you just didn't read what I said.

I did say we retired a dog because of the issue, it is dangerous afterall. But, only because when corrected and trained not to jump he would whine, bark and lay down instead. He was very stubborn, his way or the highway.

 

Here's a ?. ..

Does the UKC pull on an incline? Or is this on a flat track?

 

congrats to all that pulled and won!
coldwater what bloodlines are your dogs if you dont mind posting a ped?
beautiful dogs and that great dane is impressive!

 

I've looked at the site, and I have to say they got some beautiful and really strong dogs. They aren't my bloodlines or type of choice though. Their dogs obviously do really well and have tons of heart, just not my body type. I want a teeny tiny little hellion.

I've always liked Colby dogs, been speaking to ColbyDogs a bit lately actually about current weight pulling dogs from their lines - I think that is the way I want to go when I get a dog to work.

Well - I'm also really partial to lean buckskin dogs like the dogs Marty keeps on his yard too. Might have to look into the Jeep/Redboy blood and a couple others some more too.... not really sure if there are a lot of dogs from some of the bloodlines I like doing wp though...

 

Originally Posted by StopBSL
Advinia, A lot of the hopping and jumping dogs do is actually how they want to pull and it's hard to untrain them to do it. It's not something I have ever seen anyone purposely teach their dogs. But, I had a dog who did at and we just decided to stop pulling him because he wouldnt stop jumping. It's a frustration thing from what I've seen.

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If your dogs are trained properly from the start of their weighpull careers their eliminates the need to go back and untrain your dog....

"The athlete exudes the training practices of the handler or coach, if their lacks proper training technique, then the athlete will suffer."

Like we always say, "theirs no stubborn dogs only stubborn owners"

Good Luck With Your New Guy!

Oh and for the other question: So far the one rail show we've been too for UKC was not on an incline but we have been too APA shows were theirs was on an incline.
The last UKC show this past weekend was on a flat surface, with carpet. Most of the shows we've gone to for ADBA are on flat surface.

 

Congrast AP. Always good to see my girl (Bell) kickin ass.

Vic

 

I've been doing UKC pulls for roughly 2 years and have never pulled on an incline.

As cold said, this past weekend was on a flat surface.

It was leveled by a transit (I think that's what it's called) on Friday evening.

 

congrats to all the dogs that pulled win or lose, good effort guys!!