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I tell the kids to not pet him while he is eating without my permission. I have my brothers touch him and touch his food ONLY when I tell them to. It is part of our training/socialization. So the dog gets used to it and doesnt become food aggressive, just in case that one day a random person touches him while he is eating and the dog doesnt flip out. So the dog gets used to it every now and then.

And no I would put a random "toy hand" in my dogs food bowl. The dog knows its a toy and not a real human hand... My dog growls when he plays on the springpole because its a toy.. Put the cow hide near him when he is eating, he will proboably growl and bite/chew on the cow hide and not even bother to eat his food.. That is a dumb test to put a toy near the dog to test for "food aggression" But then again, most shelter temperament test are dumb. Which is a reason why I try to convince people not to get an animal for the local shelter. But thats another subject. And will probably get the fur mommies all wilded up.

 

one thing that I do know is that a kid is a kid
not a grown up and may do somethings that that may piss a dog off

and that goes without saying

its a learning process and mistakes will be made

its funny whe i was young the yard dog a chow mix named buster

never jumped on us
he was calm
and came to get petted when he wanted to and you know what we had a blast with old buster the dog that layed there and let us pet him or try to ride on his back so calm and gentle

and I was always taught not to let a dog jump on you
WHY cause thats a bad habbit I still dont like a dog to jump up on me
Ill raise a knee or turn my back
damn them nails can hurt

you still sound like someone who has a lot to learn
cause I bet your kids would have even more fun with a dog that would actualy let you pet it and not be jumping all over them

and that one little boy looked terrified just tryn to make you happy
so he kept a half ass smile on his face
so I guessing you need to learn your kids an decide what they realy think is fun

And old buster as nice as he was would let out a growl if we tryd to play with him while he was eating

but you know what grandpa would say

LEAVE HIM ALONE AND LET HIM EAT

and we would be getting in trouble not ol buster

 

I'm a pet owner, and if I ever get the chance to own this breed, I will have one.

 

No. "A kid is a kid" does not apply with these situations. The kids arent mentally challenged. If you tell them something, they should listen. Learn to discipline and get your kids in line. It's not hard. I see it for myself. And they arent my kids. two of them are my brothers that I see every other weekend. And the other 2 are friends. And what part don't you understand, if the kids wanted to pet the dog without getting licked. Then they would not be running to get the dog to chase. Why do you think they are running? To get the dog to try to chase and lick there faces. Notice how my dog only goes after the run who is running and moving around. If I wanted my dog to relax. I would get him to relax and only walk around and not jump. My dog jumps when I allow it to. Its called control. Just because your dog is to stupid to understand when its appropriate to jump and lick, and when it is not. Doesnt mean other apbt's are like that. Just because you lack common sense to teach your apbt to be nice with kids. doesnt mean that all other apbts are like that. My dog is smart enough to know when he can and not jump. Not my fault you own dumb dogs or suck at being a dog owner.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. As I said before, I lost all creditability of you when you said that hsus documentary was a good one. And its funny. That documentary is contradicting everything you just said in your original post. That documentary is making the APBT seem like a lab. And they are talking about dogparks being good for the breed. And how they love everyone and they need to be trained to fight or fed gun powder. And that it said you should have a license to own this breed and mandatory neutering. I can go on and on. You are the one that needs to do the learning.

 

Thank you!! I could not have said it any better.

 

wow your funny

the points I liked are the ones that said these dogs are not for everyone
and how not all dogs are bad dogs
and it did make some good points the key word is some not all but some

and as far as the kids likeing the dog jumping on them why did they turn their back to the dog I even seen a few times where they almost hit their head on the fishtank the door the wall some kind of like that is

the part that I seen the kids having the most fun is when the dog finaly stoped running and they crowded him to pet him

and you right I do need to learn something to stop arguing with some that has a closed mind

because mine is wide open

as far as a dumb dog goes I dont own any

as far as a ruley kid goes I dont have one

but that dosnt change the fact that its never ok for a dog to jump to your face
or a kid to be left free reign of my dog

so think as you must but those arnt your kids so why should you care about a dog nocking them down and jumping up on them right

well I dont care who comes to my house its not gonna happen

 

Lol. The video never said that these dogs are "not ment for everyone." Show me what part of the video says that... Show me where in the documentary where they said it. I dont remember hearing that. But then again, I only watched part 1. Because There were about 100 errors in just part 1. And could not watch the rest of that bs because it was filled with incorrect info. And it said that "there is no such thing as a bad dog, only bad people" dont turn there words around. Which what they said is also wrong. Of course there are bad dogs. And Your exact words was " good documentary' so dont try to lie and say otherwise. Anyone who thinks that is a "good documentary" doesnt know sht about this breed. And if they were not having fun. Why would they call my dogs name and move around and run to get his attention. If you noticed, my dog would not lick the faces of people who were not calling the dogs name and moving around and running. He would just sniff them and move on to the person running. Get your sh*t straight. Especially with your bs "these dogs will bite people. " , "these dogs will bite kids" "apbts are not an all around dog" seriously now? you dont know sht. I dont thing there is downside in owning of these dogs besides for BSL. The breed is perfect. So get the fk out of here with your nonsense.

Your lucky that there is not "the pit" section part of these forums.

 

Frank: I will disagree with this statement. A well bred, genetically SOUND APBT is fabulous with kids. This dog was called the nanny dog back in the day.

 

thats your problem there

I watched the whole thing all 10 parts

DO THAT THEN GET WIT ME

 

I don't know any old dogman that hasn't given a pup to a grandchild or there kids. & were proud to start them off young but i guess yall know something they don't know.

 

I think it is easy to take some things written in this thread like the apbt´s are so tough and generally deliberately agressive against people so that is the reason the ordinary dog owner not should own the breed.

I think that is something that can use a little modification imo and perhaps many of you will have a hard time getting my point. (this is not my native language) and some can even see it as controversial or simply wrong:

I don´t generally think of apbt´s as hard dogs in the sence dominant against people. Sure, it is not the same everywhere in the world and in every bloodline or pb family, but for me that is´nt anything I associate with the breed.
But note: physical hardness is. Mentally I think a lot of pitbull (and i mean real pitbulls, not a dog someone said is a pitbull) seems to be rather weak dogs, nothing for those who wants a dog for protection or for showing off how tough dog you have. It is a big generalization of course, but that is my insignificant experience. They tend to be too people friendly to make a job like a German shepherd or dobermann and so on. They are not that kind of dogs and should not, imo, be used for that kind of activities. A pitbull terrier is not a working dog in _that sence, it is not the same thing.

So if they are not suitable for the tough guys who needs a dog for "protection" why are´nt they perfect for the family who wants a dog to just hug so much in the teve sofa so it becomes a "nice" dog so they can show the world what nice a dog a pitbull is? (read: get attention for the own ego).
Because, among other things,
they are too tough physically (also many mixes) to be recommended as pets to a family with young children who don´t have the understanding of the breed. Physical hardness from a pitbull can be as risky for a child as dominance is from a more dominant breed.
the dog is often physically rough and have strong dog instincts that are considered not suitable in this society of today. That is not the same thing as being dominant or aggressive. It is in a way the opposite. High prey drive and physical rougheness, not to speak of gameness, are not as far as I know the same things as dominance and aggression. Dominance and aggression towards people are probably more atypical, not typical, for many APBT´s than typical. But all to common for mixbreeds, mutts.


And the thing is (and I find this important):
If the dogs are described as tough superdogs, in the way mean to people like some kind of people attacking monsters, it increases the tough guys interest for them, the ones who wants a dog for protection to scare people with. Then they buy a pure bred APBT (and who sells it to them?), ok, or a so called pitbull. And what happens?
First of all; many times that type of person will _destroy the dog in a short time. Young pitbulls often don´t thrive on the same kind of upbringing as f.ex.- a typical guard dog breed. The owner who wants that kind of dogs don´t want a dog that is so "weak" as many young pitbulls are, especially the traditional type of apbt. Gameness and a dominant mentality is not the same thing. It´s in a way like people expect a pit pup to be some kind of overly brave superdog in the everyday life. They are not (always), some perhaps but I doubt that is very typical, at least not in some bloodlines. A very game dog can be a real soft dog against the owner and others, especially when they are young. And the tough guy who needs a dog to boost their lacking self esteem don´t want to have a dog like that. They will rather often be disappointed because they expect a dog like a rotweiler or some similar breed. Sometimes the tough guy solves the problem with a cross with the soft pit with f.ex. a rotweiler and sells the pups aspitbulls and keeps one for their so desperately needed protection. The result is well known. The pups becomes incident dogs and the tough(scared, who needs to hide behind a dog) guys pitbull is destroyed for life by an idiot without ABC knowledge.

Take it for what it is worth it is just my thoughts and don´t take it as a truth. But a gamedog, and a game dog, has nothing to do with human dominance. I tend to get thye impression the more dominant bloodlines and familys are a minority in the breed. But more common in f.ex mixes with amstaff a.s.o.

This combination of strong (good) old fashion instincts, intensity and softness is imo why they are not suitable for nor the ordinary dog owner without special interest in the breed, nor for the "tough" guy who wants a tough dog for protection (read impress the surroundings, get a rottweiler!). As far as I know a game dog can be a very weak and timid dog in everyday life. A pitbull is not always a "pitbull" as what people associates with the name.

the truth as I see it is that very few wants one, they just think they wants it, until they have one. 90% ought to get themselves another breed.
Don´t forget:
We don´t live in the beginning of the last century anymore and the average dog owner have other ideas about how a dog should be now than they had then. That is part of the problem.

 

youre dead on ben, all these folks sayin these dogs arent good with kids dont know shit about one of the two...dogs, or kids. i got my guess.

 

but I bet you those same dogmen didnt allow the dogs to jump up on the kids
and the pup he gave the kid he more than likely had a big part in the training and handleing of the dog

lets be for real

who said all pits were bad with kids not I

but I also said that not all pits are good for kids

with that being said

theres a fine line between the two

and I willing to bet the house that the old dog had enough experiance with his dogs to know the difference

so ok you may say frank your downing the breed

no thats not true but people need to be more responsible
when it involves these dogs

cause no two dogs are alike

why do you think that a major part of being a breeder was the culling process

cause a breeder of game dogs culled bad traits but now days people think that just because past breeding practises which gave us this good temperment will carry us and that these dogs only throw stable minded
dogs

which is not true with the random breedings and peddeling of papers
you may get a well papered dog

but does that mean he is a good speciman of this breed

I would say you have a 50/50 chance

why is it frowned upon to have a dog at an ADBA event that charges a judge altho rare in the show ring it does happen

and when it does arnt the owners asked to leave
and then you bring up old dog men

I dont think you know them well as you say
the few I knew didnt let the kids in the back with the working dogs

they may have that one or two that the kids wont be overpowered by
the never jump up sit down when its petted soft natured bulldog that
has the correct temperment for a kid

but his brother that runs the chain nonstop nips at your cloths
may scratch you with its nails
or trip you with its chain(not to bite you)but because its happy to see you
is seperated with all the other bulldogs

because eventhough it maynot bite the kid its not a dog for kids
its just a lil to rough

 

not once have i ever come across a game bred bulldog that would bite a person.
and ive been in a few yards.
the game bred bulldog isnt the dog that would bite and realy we all should know that.
the dogs that look like bulldogs that your average moron on the corner has got would bite a child, but they are not bulldogs .

what they are is a cur

 

i got dogs good with kids and some that arent and just cause one is good with mine dont nesesarly mean they will be good with yours or the kids next door.you just cant assume there alright littel kids shouldent be left alone especially with unfamiliar kids.

 

i dont know one person with more then 5 that doesnt have at least 1. i got 2 but if you get near them and dont know them you were your not supose to be.

 

they should be culled, of if its a loved dog desexed at the least they are the dogs that are putting us in the position we are in now, and letting dogs with those traits breed is cheating the dogs and the owner whoever that may be.
thats what i think

 

Well i hate to say it ,but if you cant trust your dogs around your children,you need to get rid of one of the two.If you have real bulldogs,and your doing it right then you should have no problem culling a shit eating kid bitting untrustworthy cur.Im sorry but theres no excuse for man biting from a game dog.Im not sayin the dog should tolerate all the little bastards can throw at it ,but he should be able to walk up to the dog a pet it no problem.And yea ben you hit it on the head.You know why the old timers gave there granchildren pups with no worrys.Cause the man of the old didnt lie to himself and make excuses for his man bitters,he culled them.Witch from the sounds of it many of you should pick up on this practice.Its time to stop lying to yourself and handle your bussiness.There is no excuse for human aggresion,Especailly Child aggresion PERIOD

 

No child should be left alone with ANY breed of dog.