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My Apartment Lease says what?

Discussion in 'Laws & Legislation' started by misterdogman, Mar 22, 2008.

  1. misterdogman

    misterdogman CH Dog

    So when I moved back to Ames I got an apartment....UGH... and they are cool with dogs etc. Well the MGR of my place never told me about breed rules and never really said anything except there was a 300$ deposit and I had to pay it before this summer. I was like cool and blew it off for a while and yesterday she came knocking with a paper asking about the poop in the yard and I was like I will clean it today its just a few pieces from late last night, she wasnt really too concerned it seemed.... but I was in my underwear so she was prolly overwhelmed by my sexyness and stunning model quality body or something..... Well she THEN said she never got a copy of my papers from my Vet about Bambams shots, I was like Oh you need that??? I didnt know??? and I was like ok I will get it, so se was like ok no problem just let me know. So then she gave me an updated copy of the rules on dogs which I NEVER seen before. Well lemme tell you what, it says when to wash my dog how to take care of them in my own house what to feed them and where to keep the food, and how long the lead can be and even when and when not they can be outside, but the most concerning thing about the rights of mine they are trying to invade is towards the bottom, it talks about them needing a vet paper about the dog and that the dog needs to be spayed or neutered and over 1 year old. I about hit the ceiling, how can anyone take away a right that may be related to lets say a business and or kennel, not that this Bambam dog is but he COULD BE? They have no damn right... no way no how.... to tell me I cannot have an intact dog. I know if I had signed that rule it would be different but I have signed jack crap. Well she has never seen my dog and It also goes into breeds that are not allowed here too. APBTS are on the list "Of Course" but so are German Sheps and Huskies Dobies and St Bernards, even Bassett Hounds??? why who knows? Anyhow... does anyone else believe this shite? How can a private company try to take my rights away when they have no rights to do so? I aint signed anything but I know the crap will eventually hit the fan and I wanted some ideas to defend myself when I stand up for my rights to have an intact dog, I am leaning towards him being pure bred etc part of a breeding program and business agreement to be bred and kept intact which I have already been paid stud services for... but I would have to admit he is an APBT and if I deny it... and say he is a mutt ....I have no reason to not get him fixed etc then, so I dont know??? I need to brainstorm or else Bambam is going on a chain out with the puppies in Illinois.... even though I dont want him to be that far away. Any ideas or advice for me to have a legal right to defend "MY" Choices not their choice to invade my life would be appreciated.
     
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  2. Bullyson

    Bullyson CH Dog

    I'd say tell them whatever they want to hear. How much pressure can they put on you to fix your dog? Tell them he's a mutt and that you will get him fixed. As easy as it is to hang papers on a dog, it shouldnt be that much harder to hang papers on getting a dog fixed RIGHT? You should be able to just woo her off her feet with your whole model status and all. :)
     
  3. miakoda

    miakoda GRCH Dog

    Sadly landlords can do pretty much whatever the hell they want. And rarely are you going to win.

    Mister, do you have a copy of the original lease you sign? If so, you need to read through it word for word and see exactly what it stated when you moved in.

    As for Bassett Hounds, those dogs (& many other hounds) are targeted by landlords because of the noise they make. They howl a great deal and it disturbs those living in neighboring apartments. As for the other breeds, the truth is they are usually banned by landlords because their own insurance on the properties ban them. So there's usually not much you can do unless you can prove that a) you never signed a lease stating that certain types/breeds of dogs were banned and b) that they knew you had a dog and c) you paid your pet deposit and followed are the rules up until that point.

    Good luck, mister, but you're about the fight the same fight that has cost many people either their homes or their dogs.
     
  4. misterdogman

    misterdogman CH Dog

    Yeah Mia I looked over the actual lease and it only refers to house things and the pet lease and paperwork is totally seperate and nothing in the lease refers to breed bans or rules of the animal being intact nor does it even mention animals or pets etc...this is a whole seperate paper and it has never been seen by me before yesterday and I have NEVER SIGNED anything EVER, but I do know what your talking about though as far as signing a paper they can write whatever they want and if you agree you write off that right to fight it ....but I havent signed and never was told or asked anything about breeds or the dog being intact. Matter of fact I was never even asked how big or what breed my dog was etc....so I dont know. I would lie about his breed but then I would have no reason to not fix the dog and then I would have to lie more and hang neutering paperwork on him etc and I am too honest to jeopordize my home and lose it if they find out it is fake in the first place. That is one of my only options but I dont feel good about lying and making up fake stuff to make someone happy about my damn house dog. Oh yeah and it says I need to have insurance on the dog too, WTF man I just love how people can tell me when where and what to spend my money on and how to care for live with and sexually hinder my dog. Screw thee damn Nazi right thieveing communists, I am a damn AMERICAN with rights that cannot be invaded and it pisses me off when someone tries to enforce things they have no right to be concerned with in the first place. I am gonna start up my own dumb rules and start posting them around here, in the laundry room I am hanging a paper saying non chlorine bleach only and you can only use Tide and on her door I am hanging a paper saying that she cant step on any cracks on the sidewalk and she has to open doors with her left hand only *** Edited by Marty***
     
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  5. sapitbulls

    sapitbulls Guest

    I would never live in a place that had rules like that. Not just getting a dog fix and so on buy telling you when and how to take care of your dog. Id be on the look out for another place to live. But i also know its not that easy finding places to live with dogs and so on. Good Luck with everything there.
     
  6. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    I agree w/ Mia. You're pretty much up shyte creek w/o a paddle Mister. Landlords, esp. apartment landlords can change or amend leases any time they like ESP. if you haven't signed anything. So long story short, you might as well start looking for a place to live.

    And I know a few folks might jump on me for this one, but I didn't see anything wrong w/ the amendments they made. The apt. complex was just looking out for their best interests, which is only to be expected.

    - No intact dogs means no bitches having litters in their closets & no male dogs pissing all over their apartments.

    - No hounds, as Mia said, is simply to keep the noise level down.

    - No APBTs, Dobies, Sheps etc. was probably, as again Mia has said, a stipulation required by the apt. complex's insurance company.

    The 1st two are quite valid if you think about it & the last one, while it sucks was probably non-negotable & they had to do it to keep their insurance.
     
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  7. misterdogman

    misterdogman CH Dog

    By placing validity on any of their requirements or rules you might as well lie down and die in the corner and quit like a cur, no matter what you can agree with or defend for them... really it is just another right they take away from the person who has a constitutional right to uphold and defend them. Amend this, change that, do whatever you want ...it does NOT mean they can invade or deny your Civil rights. Just because they make a rule or law doesnt mean it is constitutional either and or legal, it just means they get away with it until someone takes them to court and has a lawyer defend their rights and a judge agrees it is unconstitutional to do what they are doing. Then the law or rule gets changed again. But to agree with the statement that they can tell you how to maintain, spay neuter, or even feed or bath your dog is ludicrous because really deep down it isnt ok or right or even acceptable, it is invasion of privacy and an attempt to control people when really they have no right to control anything once you sign a lease... you are considered the owner/leesee until evicted and or until youre moved out...this means they cannot come in without notice and cannot have control over your unit or property which you preside over, so how can they control a private sector of your life and your dogs breeding habits which could be considered a business, so basically to me they are saying that you cannot have certain types of business activity and or business types if you live there, if this is the case then it needs to be written in the actual lease saying no dog breeders or owners of intact dogs can live there..and it needs to be where anyone and everyone can see it because until I read the seperate dog lease paper I knew none of this and have been here since 10/07. Maybe I am just a diehard rights defender and lover of my rights.... but I get really angry when any and or all seem to be reduced or invaded, If I wanted to I could say this is discrimination against people with intact dogs or certain breeds because by allowing some certain breeds and fixed dogs but not others and by eliminating intact ones you are segregating and seperating which shows a definite bias which is in many cases illegal they are also limiting my choice of business practice which I can choose myself and alone with no help and I have a right to do that which they now can dabble their fingers in???. To me people who are too willing to give in and agree like you have just done are the same types who will and do give up all their rights when anyone says they HAVE to, and by doing that your too vulnerable to having everything taken away,,... So what does that mean???does it mean an old fashioned fight or debate is not relevent anymore??? or has EVERYONE decided curring out is the best option? I dont think this country got where it is today by curring out and agreeing with ceretain people when they said that we didnt have certain rights, Wouldnt that be funny if our fore fathers agreed like that and were all like yeah we dont have any rights lets just let the King decide what we can or cant do itll be easier than writing up new laws and rules, where would we be now? Under British rule!!!.
     
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  8. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    lol, call it what you want, but they are only doing what is best for THEIR interests, just like you would do what is best for YOUR interest.

    For example, let's say a friend & his 2 dogs were homeless & you rented a room to him. Things went OK for a while, but then his bitch came into season. Soon his male dog was pissing all over the place & his female dog was leaving blood spots all over the carpet. He went out & got a crate for the male so there wouldn't be any accidental matings. kept away from his love, the male began howling all day & night, keeping you (& your neighbors!) up. Then one day it happened - the male got out of his crate & next thing you know his bitch is preggers & ended up having a litter of pups in the bedroom closet, staining your wood floor w/ birth fluid. He didn't bathe his dogs often, so pretty soon your whole house smelt like dog piss, dog poop (from the 10 puppies in his closet), dirty dog & you've got roaches & mice in your house b/c he keeps his dog food in an open sack on the floor. Sounds like a scenario you'd like to have in your place? Doubt it!

    Look, you can preach about rights this & rights that all you want to. But other folks have rights too & the apt complex owners have the right not to have pissy, poopy, dog smelling, mice & roach infested units. If that means placing restrictions on pet owners, so be it.

    What they've done is simply to protect their intrests & they're not encroaching on your rights at all. Nothing whatsoever has been taken away from you. They did not say you can't do what you like, they just said you can't do that HERE, which IMO is not unreasonable considering the assests they have to protect. You still have the right to do as you wish. You just might have to move elsewhere to enjoy your rights to the fullest.
     
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  9. misterdogman

    misterdogman CH Dog

    For example, let's say a friend & his 2 dogs were homeless & you rented a room to him. He was fine but his male dog was pissing all over the place & his female dog was leaving blood spots all over the carpet from her cycles & he let them breed & had a litter of pups in the bedroom closet, staining the wood floor w/ birth fluid. He didn't bathe his dogs often, so pretty soon your whole house smelt like dog piss, dog poop (from the 10 puppies in his closet), dirty dog & you've got roaches & mice in your house b/c he keeps his dog food in an open sack on the floor. Sounds like a scenario you'd like to have in your place? Doubt it!

    This is not a very good example because I am not actually breeding anything, it is just the fact they act like they can control my business interests, AND IT IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE MAIN LEASE. Also I would never let someone breed dogs in my house and or closet so their vested interest in the house and property is moot because the spaying and neutering thing doesnt mention breeding... it is just the fact they mention it as if they have the right to control that option which to me is only something the "owner" can decide and them only. Like I said it is a matter of what you will give up as far as rights are concerned, if they were going to be so detailed they should have just said no pets period instead of picking choosing and trying to invade someones privacy, I guess some of us are just more willing to give up than others and just let things be and not fight the system, some others see something they dont like and try to change it and of course others dont do anything they just complain and bitch and whine about things they dont like to others who will DO something, many ways to approach the problem and different people choose different ways to handle it, I just dont think being the type to agree with them is in me because no mater what anyone says certain things can and should not be invadable no matter where you live. Everything should have its limits and when my life and interests are being involved I feel it has gone a little too far, so we might as well agree to disagree because I can tell you wouldnt fight back if you were in this situation.... which some people find it easier to do this and there is nothing wrong with that, if you dont mind giving up your rights and letting someone else decide what you can, cant and what you will do. I guess this is where we differ because I could never do that. Call it pride or ignorance but agreeing to supress someones rights is wrong and not being able to see that is too...it is also ridiculous these days a simple Mgmnt company can decide what to and not to supress... and if you cant see they are doing this no matter if you see anything wrong with it is just your blindness...all this is sad too...because I now see just how much can be taken from people before they fight back and that is not a good thing.
     
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  10. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was giving you an example of what the apt. owners have to deal with. Maybe I shouldn't have lumped all the examples into one scenario. Let me break it down.

    - Tenant 1 may let his male dog mark all over the place.

    - Tentant 2 may let his female dog have puppies in the closet.

    - Tenant 3 may bring roaches & mice into the complex b/c he doesn't put his dog feed up.

    See where I am going w/ this?

    You might be able to have something to work with since it isn't mentioned on your original lease, but you are just living on borrowed time b/c once it comes time to re-new, you can bet your bottom dollar it will be on the new lease.

    And how is spaying/neutering moot. YOU may not breed dogs in your apt, but who's to say other tenants won't? That's what THEY are looking at & that is why they want all tenant pets fixed.

    And you are correct, it is YOU who has the right as to whether or not your pets are fixed. But it is THEY who have the right as to whether or not they choose to let you live in their complex & it is THEY who lay down the rules for lease, which is why they made it sound like they have the right as to your pets' sexual status.

    You have to remember, you are living in a managed community. The key word here is MANAGED. You have to meet certain criteria & rules to lease there & having your pet fixed is just one of those rules.

    But as I said before none of your rights are being truly taken away. You still have the final say whether your pet stays intact or not. If you want the dog intact, just move elsewhere.

    I actually think they are being quite liberal in their lease as I have seen many a complex that simply stated no dogs allowed or even no pets allowed period. At least where you live at you can still have a dog!

    Plus, you have to remember that the unit you live in will be rented out after you leave. They don't want to have to deal w/ units that stink like piss, poop or dirty dog or are roach, mouse or flea infested.

    I'm sure you are a responsible pet owner (even though you didn't pick up after your dog, which probably went over like a lead zepplin w/ apt. management) who will mind your dog & keep your apt. clean, but how many OTHER tenants will be as considerate as you? Not many. As the old saw goes, "a few bad apples ruin the whole darn bunch."

    Do as you wish. Fight the system. But I see no foul here. Yes, they are trying to update the lease. But it is for the good of their interests & if you dig a little deeper, you'll probably find an inconsiderate tenant or two somewhere in the woodwork who's irresponsible actions w/ their pet brought these changes to the fore.

    But you still have your rights, this complex is taking absolutely nothing from you. Just go elsewhere where you can have 1000 intact animals if you want to.
     
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  11. WWII

    WWII Banned

    A private company has every right to tell you what you can or cannot do on their property. If you refuse to obey their rules, then they can deny service to you. In this case, a place to live. That's all I gotta say about this.
     
  12. misterdogman

    misterdogman CH Dog

    If you read the whole thread that point has not been argued we all know that already...I am stating that it is not in their original lease and only on the Pet lease. I never saw signed or was asked anything about the dog or pet lease so my point was how can they do anything until I do and how can they enforce anyone to alter a pet etc.... if I never signed it.... and just because they say they can do it does not mean it is constitutional, companies and cities and states pass ordinances and laws all the time that stand for a while and get shot down in a higher court, example here in Iowa is the Helmet law and Cigerette law, Iowa passed a helmet law and it got turned over for not being constitutional along with the cigerette law they passed in Ames, but until it is challenged it stands... so dont just assume if a company says something and it is in paperwork it is all legal.... that is naive and by doing so you just allow any company to make up any rule they want on their own property...which we know you cant do if you own property so why could they...they cant and to beleive they can is diluting yourself....if they could everyone would go get a business license and start making their own laws at their place of operation which wouldnt work or wed have illegal drugs and alcohol and other crap being legal all over ....sounds pretty silly huh so why would you beleive any other comapany could do it without you having the right to challenge it....
     
  13. i dunno bout where you are but my landlord told me that we had to have insurance on Jade before we could get her. liability insurance for a 6 month old pitbull was $409 a year in central florida. maybe you could check into that so you dont have to have him labeld as a mutt. as far as the fixin...i have never heard of such a thing. how do they expect u to get your dog fixed if you cant afford to...just tell her that you can either pay rent or pay to have your dog fixd. and push it off as long as possible.

    good luck man, it sounds like you need it :)
     
  14. Osea

    Osea Banned

    Totally agree with ABK and WWII. If you wish to do as you please buy your own home. Til then, meet their requirements or find another place.
     
  15. WWII

    WWII Banned

    I read it and fully agree if there wasn't a "pet clause" at the time you moved in, then you should def. be grandfathered in. I was just replying to the "private company" statement in your OP.
     
  16. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 CH Dog

    I would think that if you signed a lease that did not have those clauses in it, that they'd have to honor the lease they had you sign until its up. They may decide to not renew the lease at that time if you don't agree to the new language, but if you're bound to a certain set of rules as per your lease, they can't unilaterally change the agreement. They'd have to wait until you lease was up. ETA: Unless they've got language in there that says you're bound by whatever new rules they cook up in the meantime.
     
  17. Virgil dogs

    Virgil dogs Big Dog

    I see your point mister but how hard would it be just to move?You could bribe the manager,tell them your dog is an ultra-rare Israllie water dog.Other than that they seem to be holding all the cards,right or wrong.I would be looking to move myself.
     
  18. 14rock

    14rock GRCH Dog

    Got to find a new place, the apartment was a bad idea to begin with. We discussed this before you ever moved, hopefully you kept looking for bulldog friendly places to live, as this is a problem waiting to happen.
     
  19. renegadepit

    renegadepit Big Dog

    I'm in real estate and I could tell you that All standard leases (especially apartment complexes) have verbage in it regarding things like number of occupants, utilities included, PETS, rent amount, security deposit, late fees, etc..
    I don't know what happened when he signed the lease but I could give my best guess.....
    Misterdogman ownes an "APBT"
    He looks for a place to live.
    Moves into the AMES Apt. complex
    Mr Dogmen signes the lease. He did not disclose to them
    that he owns a dog or "APBT". If he did they would have had
    him sign the "Pet Exhibit" on the spot. The reason he didn't tell
    them this was either (1) because he did not want to pay the 300 deposit which is in addition to the original deposit that he paid or (2) because he feared being denied the unit because he owns a "Pitbull" OR (3) a combination of 1 and 2
    Now they realize that Misterdogman ownes a dog and want him to sign the "Pet Exhibit".
    Misterdogman already stated that they don't know that the dog is an "APBT"
    Wait until they find that out, he'll probably get evicted right away.
    Misterdogman, heres what I would advise you, 2 options.
    If you don't sign they probably evict you.
    If they find out that its an "APBT" they probably evict you.
    1) Sign the "Pet Exhibit", pay the $300, till them he's a mutt.
    Than they get off your back. or
    2) Move
     
  20. misterdogman

    misterdogman CH Dog

    HAHA I was going to take your advice to a T...but your wrong. Everyone saying there was no way out of it was wrong. Not to rub it in... HAHAHA... BUT I am kinda effing happy right now.... because today I pointed out to the Manager that the original lease and paper work said 500 deposit and nothing about the breed or NEUTERING etc and I never signed it anyway so they aint got me on nothing.
    I also mentioned there was nothing in the house lease about pets and nuetering etc either so they got me on nothing there either. She already thinks my dog is a Boxer Mutt mix and she said off the bat. Oh I know, your right about that we just ammended the lease and put it all in on one lease and now its more descript so you cant be held accountable for all that.
    So I was like well then I aint fixing my dog and if I have to I will pay the original 500$. She was like oh no dont worry about it. Then she adds, for the confusion just pay the 300 when yo renew your lease in April,... that is in you are renewing she adds. I was like as far I know right now I am. But I aint I am getting a damn farm house ASAP. But I am lucky she saw my POV and agreed with my version of the law. lol.

    I GUESS IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU!!!
    NEVER QUIT!!!
    YOU JUST MIGHT GET YOUR WAY IF YOU DONT!!!
     

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