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Muscles

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by Minoas, Oct 28, 2016.

  1. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    That did not answer my question, where does this extra mass come from if not from consuming more calories?....no wonder yawl so easily fooled into believe anything they say if one puts a STANFORD of approval stamp on it. LMAO
     
  2. niko

    niko CH Dog

    I answered your question 3 times....
     
  3. niko

    niko CH Dog

    In the study he took 40 men and assigned them to one of four groups: placebo with no exercise, testosterone with no exercise, exercise only, testosterone with exercise. They were at least given a standardized diet although they weren’t in a metabolic ward so there is some potential self-reporting issues.

    The training was a little weird, they did squat and bench only three times per week for 4 sets of 6 with varying intensity week to week and weights were increased at week 5. It wasn’t the greatest training program but it turns out to kind of not matter. Muscle size was measured by MRI and strength was tested directly for 1 repetition maximum. This went on for 10 weeks. Here are the results.

    Group LBM Squat Bench Press
    Placebo No change No change No change
    Exercise Only +4.4 lbs +21% +11%
    Testosterone +6.6 lbs +19% +10%
    Testosterone+Exercise +13 lbs +38% +22%
    No shock, the placebo group had no change in anything. Training alone got the guys four and a half pounds LBM in 10 weeks. But steroids alone worked better: 6.6 pounds LBM in the same 10 weeks. With just one shot in the butt every week. Clearly training and exercise was synergistic and the third group gained close to what you’d predict from adding steroids and training alone together. But steroids alone built more muscle than training alone and just as much strength.

    And the amazing thing is that, despite the title of the paper, only 600mg/week of testosterone was given. Certainly this is supraphysiological relatively but it’s also a baby dose in a time when the occasional steroid expert had recommended a gram per day. And even that small dose put more muscle on without training than training alone did. Not only do anabolics build muscle without training, they build more muscle than training (and they make training work that much better).

    It also looks like the effects may continue in the longer term with no change in dose. In a second study, the same group compared 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 20 weeks. Only the 125mg and up doses generated an effect but the gains in LBM were 7.5 lbs, 11.4 lbs and 17.4 lbs of LBM for the higher doses respectively.
     
  4. niko

    niko CH Dog

    So 20 weeks of 600 mg/week of testosterone without training still generated more LBM gain than 10 weeks of steroids and training above: 17.5 lbs LBM vs. 13 lbs. Mind you, this was in young males aged 18-35 (it wasn’t old farts or anything) who were explicitly told NOT to train.

    So a mere 600 mg/week of testosterone will build over 17 lbs of muscle in 20 weeks without training. The highest group also showed a 75% gain in leg press strength. Without training. Just let that sink in. For many males this is a year’s worth of gains if they are lucky. In 20 weeks. Without training. Just drugs. Awesome.

    And before you start screaming water weight, read on. A followup analysis of the second studyshowed clearly that the increasing doses of anabolics were associated with muscle fiber growth in both Type I and Type II fibers and increased myonuclear number. This is real growth and strength from fairly moderate doses of steroids without any training. And that’s in healthy individuals. The same group showed that anabolics alone activate satellite cells, a crucial step in growth. All drugs, no training.

    Finally, in men with low testosterone, a baby dose of 100 mg/week of testosterone ethanate increased muscle mass by 11 lbs in 10 weeks. With no training, no fat gain and a measured increase in both triceps and quadriceps size. 100 mg/week. That’s nothing, just bringing testosterone up from below normal to the normal range. I’d have loved to see what 600 mg/week did for these guys.
     
  5. niko

    niko CH Dog

    And finally, in another analysis, the same group made a prediction that basically shows that more testosterone means more growth; as the does goes up, so do the gains. Gilbert Forbes has done similar work although he was looking at the total steroid dose and it’s relation to LBM gains and his results are right in line with this work. When you look at the total dose of anabolics taken over the duration of a cycle, more steroids means more growth up to about 10,000mg total which gave 20kg (45 lbs) of muscle gained. That’s a career’s worth.

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  6. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    REALLY???? LMAO.......One can gain mass without working out or WITHOUT any STEROIDS just by consuming more calories.....So when one shows a chart claiming the steroids itself made the people who did not excercise gain more mass from the steroids alone is very MISLEADING and DECEPTIVE.....Like I said the side effects of steroids increases ones appetites and certain steroids are USED specifically for that particular purpose to increase ONES APPETITE, so the increase in mass is not from the steroid in itself but by one consuming more calories due to an INCREASE IN APPETITE regardless if one is taking steroids or not.

    To put it plain and simple if you want to increase mass without exercising just eat/consume more calories.....You dont need a steroid shot to do that for you unless you have some sort of appetite disorder. LMAO
     
  7. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Damn Niko you should take those articles with a grain of salt because most of them are theories that are most likely misleading to endorse a product....If I had a dollar to every supplement that claimed they have and are backed up by SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH AND STUDIES that dont work or dont work as they say I would have a billion dollars or more. LMAO

    If you want to discuss this further I will be in chat. LOL
     
  8. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Lean mass? Dont think so
    It's been fun lol
     
  9. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Thats your problem niko you dont THINK. LMAOROTF......For any type of mass to grow requires increase in calories.
     
  10. niko

    niko CH Dog

    If I take steroids without working out , will I gain muscle?

    For instance, PCP or other things.

    4 ANSWERS
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    Joe Bayliss Jr.
    , Have researched and studied steroids for the past 6 years.
    Written 4d ago
    Yes James you will indeed. The anabolic steroids will increase your body's ability to synthesise protein and repair muscle fibres.

    The amount of exercise you do in day-to-day activity normally wouldn't benefit muscle strength or size, (depending on which job or hobbies you have) i.e. you are a manual builder or you play football 4 times a week. But when you are on an anabolic steroid cycle your testosterone levels will be through the roof and muscles will be constantly craving calories and if fed- will grow.

    You will find yourself craving meals, possibly double the amount you normally eat! Your strength will increase and you will likely sleep much better. I would certainly not recommend it though, it's a total waste of money and potential to adapt your physique. A good diet will sculpt your body well without the price tag!

    A study was conducted in 1996 which took 4 groups of men and tested them amongst eachother. The test was to find how much strength and size changed with a testosterone based steroid.

    Group 1 - No exercise and no steroids.

    Group 2 - No exercise and steroids.

    Group 3 - Exercise and no steroids.

    Group 4 - Exercise and steroids.

    All 4 groups were given an equal amount of sleep and the exact same diet. Obviously group 4 grew the most and gained the most strength!

    Group 2 actually showed higher size and strength gains than group 3! Those who took steroids and did no exercise, grew more than those who worked out every day and didn't take steroids! A brilliant read and very interesting.
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101
     
  11. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Exact same diet....
    You just have no room dor differing opinions....your a know it all that counters with childish remarks
     
  12. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    I just finished reading that whole article and it is far from accurate as there is a lot of deceiving factors if you want to discuss it further come to chat.
     
  13. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Its like reading an article on the so called GAY GENE, and those that dont really understand that article will say yup this study right here proves there is a gay gene but those who can understand and really comprehend that article will say no it does not really prove that there is a GAY GENE as there is a lot of misleading information by misleading play of WORDS....All these scientific studies are not cheap and usually backed up or sponsered by other parties and they are not just doing it for fun there is a specific reason for one doing the funding for these studies.

    When did I ever say I know it all? LMAO All you do is post articles/links but you dont or cant speak on the topic on your own with your own words. LMAO
     
  14. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Plus I find that very hard to believe that group 2 showed higher size and strength gains then group 3 unless they RIGGED the experiment in which they most likely did LMAO......If that was the case then there will be no need for any athlete to condition themselves by working out. Instead of working out according to that experiment all one needs is a shot of TEST and he should automatically have better size and strength gains then the person that works out every day. LMAO..If you want to believe that shit niko go ahead and just take a shot instead of actually working out every day. LMAOROTF
     
  15. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Again proving my point lmao
    If Saiy dont agree it must be rigged f@#! What the evidence show lol
     
  16. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Saiy M.D lmao
     
  17. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Why would athletes not need to work out?by working out and using steroids you get more gains lol
    You didnt read the article lol...to hard to comprehend?
     
  18. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Its seems you are the one that cannot comprehend what you read fool if you actually believe that subjects in test 2 who did no excercise showed more size and gains then those in test 3 who actually worked out....Like I said if you want to believe that crap go ahead fool. LMAO
     
  19. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Its not about me being a M.D its just my comprehension and COMMON SENSE of things is much greater then yours obviously. LMAOROTF
     
  20. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Obviously...you know much more then the people at Harvard with a P.H.D Lmao
    Funniest part about it is you believe your own bullshit Lmao
     

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