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Muscles

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by Minoas, Oct 28, 2016.

  1. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member



    That is a good looking dog GK1. I do not have any pictures hardly at all. This is a video of a female we had some time back. She did very well on her first picnic. This was some time later when we were shooting for #2. Not that noticeable but if you check out her back leg she does not have a lot of range of motion and it is kicked out a little. Ended up makig her a brood dog.

    The video does not show that much.

    S
     
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  2. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

    Absolutely...I can show results after two weeks in the dead of winter! Oh and that was over 10 years ago and I'm so enlightened my high is high! I'll do that after this next post!
     
  3. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    They are not all that innovative. Most of the dog information available trickles down from people nutrition/supplementation/conditioning. Very few have re-invented the wheel in any of these areas.

    The re-invention is all in the application. The application comes with trial and error. The good results are usually founded on a lot of mistakes.

    S
     
  4. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog


    Slim I'm going to tie all this in with nutrient timing, a better adjective to describe powerful and the versatility of insulin!

    Slim you own one company called Better Bulldogs and it only has two factories...Muscle Building and Fat Burning.

    Slim you have two types of employees Testosterone and Insulin, Testosterone only works in the Muscle Building factory but Insulin works in the Muscle Building factory and the Fat Burning factory.

    Insulin after he puts in 8 hours at the Muscle Building factory takes a 45 minute to an hour break to eat before he goes to work at the Fat Burning factory. Slim follow this. Because of specific nutrient timing that creates carb sensitivity after an anaerobic HIT that complex carb will spike increased levels of energy for Insulin that the Muscle Building continues after while Insulin is eating waiting for his second job fat burning at the Fat Burning factory! Because of nutrient timing throughout the day in multiple meals that complex carb isn't used for energy but to supercharge Insulin at his second job of fat burning! Testosterone can't do that and can't be controlled like that! Testosterone isn't directly responsible for fat loss like Insulin! Testosterone builds muscle slightly better but Insulin isn't far behind in building muscle but it's directly responsible for fat loss!

    Slim if i lost you it's real simple. That complexx carb after the workout will elevate Insulin energy levels longer because it's a slow acting carbs. Insulin now do it's second job of fat burning at a high steady level! Basically the reason why Insulin can do his second job of fat burning at the Fat Burning factory at a extremely high level! This is why that yam, potato or sweet potato is important in the after workout meal!

    If i told you there is a car on the market that you can drive 9,000 miles a month for the price of the electricity it takes to power a refridgerator and flat screen would you buy it and you don't pay for gas?

    If I told you take air out of workouts and that dog 3 hours after a HIT anaerobic workout sleep will burn more fat than an actual dog running a stall for an hour would you believe that?

    "You will NEVER be enlightened until you spend time with someone who is enlightened!"...HeyJuice
     
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  5. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

    If I told you take the air out of workouts and that dog 3 hours after a HIT anaerobic workout sleep will burn more fat than a dog actually running a slat mill for an hour would you believe that?
     
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  6. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    No mention of FAT as a source?
     
  7. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Great post. Great analogies. It is not so much the not understanding as it is about the disagreeing about the means and methods to get to a certain point. With that said, I believe there are a numerous ways to get a dog to peak condition in order to win. I also believe the bulldog guy has to take a little slice from everyone else's pie because no other dog activity requires the performance of all the other dog activities combined.

    I agree with the effects of timing and I agree with taking advantage of insulin spikes. I dropped the carbs because I am not interested in burning fat while the dog sleeps. I'm looking for the recovery of the proteins when he sleeps. I am switching him over to the highly digestible high fat diet a number of weeks out so fat becomes his primary source for energy.

    I am not overly concerned with burning fat when he sleeps because I want a certain amount of fat on the dog. When I pull him down to 47lbs. that is his optimum performing weight. That 47lbs. consists of muscle, fat, water, bone and hide/coat. The bone and the hide do not change and so those are not variables. The other three change and are in a constant change. I'm feeding the after work meal for recovery. It is a smaller meal. It is loaded with the proteins, creatines and sugars to take advantage of that early window as the body changes states. There is some greens in there as well but that is to keep the gut working as much as desired nutritional value. I do add raw tripe to help with the breakdown of the greens, again moreso to move them on thru creating the next dump.

    The evening meal is heavy on the fats and proteins and a sample of the greens. This meal is a little heavier and is for replenishment but mostly for weight control. He will be fed to be a dump away from show weight the next working.

    Another disagreement in principle...insulin, testosterone, steroids....neither of the three have zero effect on building muscle, gaining muscle or maintain a muscle. They simply aid in recovery. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    I do agree with high intensity work. I am not a fan of long slow trots on a mill. It may work for some but does not serve a purpose for me. Whatever we do we do as hard as we can for as long as we can and stop. We then go as hard as we can for as long as we can and stop. These bursts/all out explosions whether on the ground, the carpet mill or the slat mill will be done in sets. Each require anaerobic out put to get started, maintaining the burst (pump) goes into aerobic/cardio activity. The short stoppage mimics the time between flurries and then it is that anaerobic burst followed by that aerobic maintaining and stopping.

    Resembles a cross between interval and high intensity training. It teaches recovery between explosions which ensues more explosions. Continual and repeated explosions creates separation. That separation will force the lesser prepared dog to work himself right out of his own keep.

    S
     
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  8. niko

    niko CH Dog

    I do agree with most of the above post but there have been many documented cases that steroids do build muscle mass even without working out
     
  9. niko

    niko CH Dog

    By controlling your insulin you can allow your body to build muscle and burn fat daily. Muscle is made of protein. To build muscle, your body must synthesize more protein than it catabolizes. Insulin is responsible formuscle growth and the storage ofmuscle glycogen.
     
  10. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I guess it is possible. I would have to think the cases would be few and far between.

    I should have finished that paragraph a little better. The idea of using is recovery so more work can be done. The more work the more gain.

    S
     
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  11. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    I question those documented cases as there are many factors involved that can determine or change an out come like the level of ones physical activities.....For example Comparing a construction workers level of activities to a computer geek programmer is a big difference in level of activity. If both took the same amount of roids the person who does more activities will yeld greater results as oppossed to the person that just sits on his desk 8-10hrs a day.

    Another thing that comes into question is the side effects of roids....One side effect is it makes one HONGRY/INCREASES APPETITE so the more one eats the more mass one will gain, which is the reason why a skinny person taking steroids will increase in weight/MASS even with very little physical activity being done.
     
  12. niko

    niko CH Dog

    I said nothing about diet....my statement was you can gain mass without working out
     
  13. niko

    niko CH Dog

    And yes many factors do lead to diffrent results
     
  14. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Very true Slim
     
  15. niko

    niko CH Dog

    I like your thoughts on interval training Slim....I never understood why someone would do such low intensity work for a long period which is not the actual pace they would experience in the sporting event
     
  16. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    How does one gain mass without the consumption of more food/calories? If one is skinny and eats the same amount but takes steroids and all he does all day long is play video games and no other physical activity how is that mass gained?
     
  17. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Yeah thats why I call bullshit on all those so called documented theories/cases. LMAO
     
  18. niko

    niko CH Dog

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    The P values shown are for the comparison between the change indicated and a change of zero. The asterisks indicate P<0.05 for the comparison between the change indicated and that in either no-exercise group; the daggers, P<0.05 for the comparison between the change indicated and that in the group assigned to placebo with no exercise; and the double daggers, P<0.05 for the comparison between the change indicated and the changes in all three other groups.
     
  19. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Study done by a steroid research group cfrom Stanford
     
  20. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Again I made no mention of dieting or exercise not having any effect.I said you can gain mass without working out
     

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