NC: Moore County man pleads guilty to federal dog-fighting charges

It amazes me the things they use as evidence these days.

A dog harness?
Quick stop for stopping toe nail bleeds? Springpole?
2" wide collars?

I'm not saying the man is innocent or guilty but these are things many dog owners have around. Don't make you a dog fighter because you have quick stop.

Geez, it's like I been watching a 20+ year witch hunt go on for the owners of this breed of dog.

 

If there is no proof...it is all just means for a lawsuits.people sign their own warrents these days...good ol smartphone...internet..tracking devices...

How can just having things...collectibles...memorobilia..antiques in their own light....
Tell them show me your evidence.....talk to my lawyer....im filing suite...

 

I take it you have never been a victim of these kinds of charges. All they have to do is show intent and your done with. They don't have to catch you doing it, planning it or even being involved in any way with dog fighting. If they can show a jury that intent was there, it will, 9 out of 10 times result in you going to jail.
While innocent until proven guilty sounds nice, that's not really how the system actually works unfortunately. It's actually the total opposite. You are guilty until you can prove your innocent and since they use their own so called expert witnesses they don't have much trouble getting convictions these days. It's the sad truth and anyone who has ever been raided for having dogs will most likely say the same thing when it comes to their experience with the judicial system. Intent is 9/10ths of the law these days and they easily build cases off things like chains, collars, meds, breaksticks, mills etc. It's a risk everyone now faces when owning this breed. Whether you race or just have some couch denters. The general population does not know the facts when it comes to items that are common in most every home or yard with dogs. The DA's will lie through their teeth for a conviction as will the so called expert witnesses and Lawyers.
These days you are pretty much guilty simply by owning the breed. The sad truth of the American Judicial System... Fighting it requires a ton of money that most just do not have at their disposal and you'll still probably lose or they will bleed you out financially. The governments money is much longer than most can compete with. Been there done that and I'm watching a good friend go through it currently. Lost his case and now is spending 40 grand to appeal the decision that unfortunately will most likely still result in him going to jail and losing much more money than that original 40 stacks. The dogs suffer as well, they have all been put down already even though he is in the middle of an appeal. Very few people beat these kinds of charges once they have their sights on you.

 

No Sir. Never been in that lime light.
Never aim to. Id fight to a slow end likely.
But yes..all they need to do is get an email..phone number ..address..and set up their rat nests and wait. .. I guess those that would make bring on the problem would be the root of the problem...where ever it may start or end. ..
Hows the ol saying go..ya sleep with dogs ya gonne get fleas.
We all know how they work..gathering their evidence...and boom...

Id likely still be in their cage refusing to sign...work...
Having had the charges or not...being on here and seeing what they do is quite eye opening itself..yes...but still...
Having an interest in the past...and getting cought at a event... Are quite different.
Having a flirt pole..a treadmill..and just because one used them for fighting training...dont mean that every owner that has one does...ludicrous.

And i just saw plead guilty in title...so he copped out...likely turned states...and was involved...anyone messing eith them...well they now will be in sight....
All by phone record...email...facebook....

Sleep with dogs ya get fleas...gotta naturally repel the bugs i guess...or use pesticides

Folks sell themselves bit by bit...im trying to quit..

 

How do you guys like this one?

Notoriously big mouthed peddler/dog pimp pleads guilty to owning/breeding with intent. Released on bail to await sentencing. Accepts invite to judge a show WHILE ON BAIL (jumping at the chance to boost his puppy sales further - if he's allowed to own dogs in the future). Club gets upset when names decline to attend, & questions their loyalty to the breed & the quality of their character in general. Club magazine's editorials begin to contain complaints about low turnouts to subsequent shows. Club folds bemoaning lack of support from everyday owners.

True story.

Convincing people you have these dogs for legitimate & (currently) legal purposes is hard enough without so called "promoters of the breed" pulling crap like this.

Sorry doggies, no more day trips winning free dog food & yelling at strangers. The ribbons were nice to hang on the office wall too. Don't worry, you won't be missing much, they've cut back the number of shows because Judges have become difficult to find & nobody is attending anyway. In the bush chasing piggies is the life anyway.

Good job & well done I say. Sadly, the further underground these dogs go, the better off they & their owners will be.

 

I have always felt that way, in the mid 70'S most people did not know what a bulldog was let alone a true bred one, and I liked it that way. When some did approach me about my dog they were usually opened minded and loved the look of them with floods of compliments, boy did things change in the late 80,S and early 90,S. It came to the point that in my area just walking a bulldog had people wondering what's up. At this point in life I don't bring any of my bulldogs with me to work, to many questions and not the right kind as we all know routine is what dogs thrive on and when you always travel with your dogs to shows you want them to be calm and relaxed and to get this is to have that dog with you every day you drive. I was told by J. Kelley one time that I really put my dog at a disadvantage by traveling around two states for two and a half days because I was last on the card, little did he know that dog was in my truck for 6 months going to work or to the store she got to the point that she would just lay down and sleep because it was just another day in her life and that preparation is what took her to the win.