monsanto agressively sues farms for saving seeds

oh yea i've picked cotton peanuts watermelon corn and the list goes on so maybe i got my hands dirty ask my grandma if you ever get to heaven .

 

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You said that. Nobody is forcing you to reply to this thread. It's a friendly discussion. There's agreements and disagreements. No one has personally attacked you - just challenging you to back up some of the statements you make. What do you "know to be false" about the the man who had his property searched, seized and destroyed without a warrant? Or the couple Monsanto sued who bred their own seeds but had gmo pollinate their crops? Cross pollination doesn't exist? For thousands of years farmers have taken their best phenotypes and bred them, stabilized them through back-crossing to create new strains.

 

The statements I know to be false are pioneer doesn't make fertilize and no seed is bred to only grow when fertilized by fertilize from any certain company. That's just crazy. N-P-K are what they are. Second statement I know to be false is this. Since the advent of GMO corn yields have increased across the south. Cotton yields have increased across the south. Bean yeilds have increased across the south. Rice yields have increased across the south. Ask the ones that work this ground what was their yields in the early 90's then ask what yeilds they get now. I know info on one case I read of Monsanto sueing a farmer when I read the story I know what the guy was doing and so did he. He was trying to bypass buying seed at full price and pay his tech fee. He bought beans from a drier as cow feed. He bought them with the intent of planting them knowing full well they were roundup ready beans. He was trying to be slick and got caught now is trying to play poor poor me I'm a stupid country boy didn't know no better. Yeah right. No offense old goat but it is a different world in farming today than it was 10 years ago much less in the days of the mule. A farmer from mule days would be lost today. Not they couldn't raise a crop but they would never survive farming using the methods of old and the seed of old. I am also highly suspect of anyone that just happens to have a spot of RR crop that they just happens to walk thru and decide to check. That is just fishy. I would agree we need to be looking at more methods of controlling weeds and insects than we have today. The companies just stopped looking for solutions. Now they are behind and will have to catch up.

My thing is there is lots of info out there that is half truths and straight out lies. Lots of these so called scientist with their data is bull. My wife works for University of Arkansas in research. I know if a person wants to they can work nearly any data to say what they want. I also know the group of lawyers that filed against Monsanto in the wheat case are the same ones that sued Bayerr over the rice a couple years ago.

I do not work for Monsanto. I have never worked for any major chemical company. I have worked in nearly every aspect of farming ang find my observation to be true for the most pa

 

shotgun did you read what monsanto did in post 117 about there canola growing in a field in canada ? do you think it would be ok for a organic farmer on 50 acres should be protected if GMO' genes get in his crop from the neighbor or the other way around ? because it's going to happen and monsanto will claim it . their genes will be hard to keep out if it's not to late . and what about the super weeds ? now this is weeds so please read it and tell me what you think .
Case studies: A hard look at GM crops : Nature News Comment

 

I read everything on that link and it apears to be well balanced info. The Palmer amaranth (pig weed) is the same thing I spoke of in a previouse post. The technology currently used to control it is called liberty link. What caused the issue in my opinion was low rate applications of round up. When RR technology first came out Monsanto had a spray program that included rate and number of aplications. At that time I believe the rate was 16oz per acre of round up sprayed 3 times. Well farmers figured out u could spray 8 to 12oz per acre and smoke everything out there. And if u only sprayed 2x and timed it correctly the crop would lap and shade the ground preventing the weeds from getting bad. Another point made by chem companies even to day is spray weeds before they get big (4" tall). Lots of farmers call big knee high or better. So they would wait till later to spray. As the plants got bigger less died and a few made it thru to seed. Over time this selected for seed that survived the previouse year. Thru the years Monsanto and farmers increased their rates up to where we are now. Now it's to late on some of these weeds. Hemp sesbania (coffee beans) is another weed that has grown resistant to herbicide. Not glyphosate (round up) but blazer. In the early 80's this product could kill coffee beans 7' tall at a rate of 1gal/76ac. Today the rate is 1gal/15ac and a full kill is not guaranteed. This is an example of selective resistance that has gotten worse over time. Weeds not unlike u and I will develope a resistance or tollerance to toxins. Kinda why It took so many beer for me to get drunk before I cut way back. Unlike me tho their tolerance is here to stay while me on the other hand can get a buzz off a 6pack now. This issue is a problem that to be honest was let go to far before they tried to correct it.

In the case of the maize I can't blame that on anyone in particular other than the seed supplier. I would bet they got contaminated seed thru dealers that were buying seed from places that produced in had GMO maize and ended up with some of that seed. I know for a fact bootlegging seed into the southwest has been a very profitable Buisiness for years. I'm sure Mexico is the same way.

As for the canola that is one I would have to look at further but yes I believe a man should not have to be concerned what his neighbor plants to avoid cross pollination. Like I said tho I would have to look at that case further. There was an instance I heard of that a guy supposedly got a RR gene in something that isn't even sold as RR on the market. What I did hear was that Monsanto had been doing research into producing a variety of that crop in a RR package. I also heard that the guy with the problem was close to where they were testing and breeding this RR crop. To be honest in that situation I think the guy got his hands on a touch of seeds and planted it with intent of getting rich off Monsanto. The man supposedly stumbled across a spot less than an acre in the middle of a 500ac field by accident and found these plants.

There is one point not made in the section on BT tho. Here we are required to plant refuge areas of non BT crop the same as the BT crop we plant to help prevent resistance. The amount of non BT refuge one has to plant is dependent upon the way I intend to manage it. In some cases they have what is called refuge in a bag. This contains a certain percentage of non BT seed mixed in the bag. With the percentage they mix in u can treat it the same as the rest of ur crop. Meaning if u need to spray for bugs u can spray it all. In this case the non BT seed and plants are dispersed thru the field allowing for a greater chance of resistance prevention.

People do crazy things and for the most part I don't trust them. I also don't trust any big company.

I hope maybe I have shed a light on the subject u were unaware of. As u can see I do not think GMO is a silver bullet either but the fact remains it has allowed farms to remain profitable that without it woulda been out years ago.

 

I didn't read anything claiming Pioneer made fert. I would never claim that. I thought we were talking about the previous three links old goat posted. You said in those three you found false statements. I asked you specific questions about two and I see you didn't have anything to respond with.

N-P-K are what what are? N-P-K is a ratio of base nutrients. With the wrong ratio to a particular strain your plant will not perform. Certain phenotypes perform completely different with a different ratio. A certain fert might destroy a strain of lettuce and be perfect for a strain of corn. Different companies make different nute combos for different applications. When you genetically engineer a seed, you have a lot of control over how that plant will or will not perform with certain levels of nutrients and their levels. You could easily make it so a plant locked out and died off once a certain level of nutrient. All gmo seed makers have very specific instructions for fertilization. In fact, any seed maker worth a damn is going to give the customer all the soil data they need to get the best possible result. This was true 30 years ago.

You keep talking about ONE case. Monsanto has brought THOUSANDS of cases against farmers. They've threatened many more. People I know, people I respect and care for.

Yield is only relative to cost. The quality of the dirt left behind after harvest is a major factor in how much has to be spent to replenish the land. Bigger yields don't equate to more long-term profit if you have sucked the land for all it's worth. But corporate farms owned by wall street bankers just want to show a big jump and the sell the whole thing.

 

Post 101 and 115 were the post I spoke of. If u read the first paragraph in them u will see what I was responding to. Yes I do refer to one case. I don't set around looking for monsters reading every piece of everything with their name on it.

 

The link you are referring to does NOT state that Pioneer makes fertilizer. It says companies such as Monsanto and Pioneer often create seeds that respond to their brands of fertilizer AND/OR insecticide.

On the Pioneer website THEY claim that Aquamax is specifically designed to work with their beans.

The only false claims are yours.

 

shotgun HEMP is what the farmer should be begging to use . it's a great rotational crop and grow fast does'nt and has 2000 uses mrs than any plant known to man . your jeans and shirts sure would last longer . tell me did the wind blow to hard or is the farmers all over the world not spraying enough poison because there's super weeds growing in every country that has GMO crops ?
Rise in GM foods is creating crop spray-resistant superweeds, scientists warn | Mail Online

Fact-checking about GMO foods

 

damn were did that doesn't and come from lol .

 

What folks do in other countries I can not say cause I don't know. All I can do is speak for what I have seen with my own eyes. Y'all I'm gonna bow out the conversation I have said my beliefs and I have heard y'all's side. Take care I'm back to reading.

 

https://www.pioneer.com/home/site/us/agronomy/research-summaries/soil-water-extraction-aquamax/

Aquamax is not a chemical but a name for a breed of corn they have developed that is very efficient in water useage. This would make it ideal for the more arid areas.

 

well i know shotgun it's hard on you but there's to much evidence in the US and other countries that says we need to look at what's going on . the main thing to this thread was should they be able to sue you if your crop gets pollinated by their crop . and i don't see how that will work it your neighbor is growing gmo and your not . and they sue for this all the time and yes they do sue for people holding back or or stealing there seeds . but if it cross pollinates there won't be regular seeds much longer . what if and i think they won't all seeds .

 

oh yeah i bet you did'nt read india australia uk and other countries in that news paper article report superweeds that's why i ask the question .

 

I read that whole article all the way thru including where they talked about India. As I said what was on that page seemed balanced from both sides of the debate. Without first hand knowledge of the cross pollination so I could honestly say that was the case I can't make a decision one way or the other. To cross pollinate it should have worked from an edge not just a spot in the middle. There are to many variables to list and without hands on or a non biased independent researcher.

 

thankyou for the answer and i know what your saying . but it has cross pollinated with other crops all over . and yes they talk about starting on the edge of a organic farmers . but do you remember a week or 2 ago when there was a lot of dust coming off africa ? that dust comes from there every year . it's mostly from morocco and it's spread all over the ocean coming across from africa . that dust is pollen from cannabis . so it sure covers a big space maybe it could don't that with could but it's not planted as thick as it is in morocco . just a thought for you to think about .

 

Thanks for the link. Proves my point perfectly and prove true the statement in the link old goat posted. Aquamax contains liberty link which allows it to work with a specific herbicide. It contains many things that allow it to work with specific products.

Pioneer is nothing more than a brand of DuPont and a partner of Monsanto. Just like m&m and snickers are not companies, they are brands.

"Monsanto has entered into a deal with DuPont, where it will receive royalty for its technologically advanced fertilizers. Moreover, GMO continues to drive higher revenue for the company."

http://beta.fool.com/shwetadubey/2013/06/27/3-fertilizer-companies-favoring-expansion/38307/

Of course their seeds are engineered to work with specific fertilizer/insecticide/herbicide products they've designed.

I respect your opinions. I disagree with your facts.

 

Hemp is very interesting old goat. I'm looking into it more. It seems to have a lot of commercial potential. From what I can tell it might even be cheaper and faster to produce than cotton. I'm going to look into it more, thank you.

 

hemp has so much potential to same alot of things . the farmers can rotate the crop and it's protein . it's a 3 month crop and it has roots that go deep to break up the soil for the next crop . just think 2000 industrial uses and the US is the only country that bans the farmers from growing it . they think the dust bow era was start when the us ban hemp and the soil started to get all mess up .

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