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Looking for a show quality show dog

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by old time dogman, Mar 10, 2010.

  1. peppapig

    peppapig Banned

  2. jjbulls

    jjbulls Pup

    I think you will find that the stafford show ring which promots the K.C. standard is basically ..a load of inbred little fat dogs.. that are good for nothing else than to be a lap dog..! on the other hand ..we have many line bred staffords that are fit for purpose ..!! & can perform ...ive seen Ragingstorms dogs & they are defo performance dogs .. & not lap dogs..! they have..tons of drive & perform very well.. ! you sat skinney.. i say fit & in condition .. ;) this is our boy Spike from jjbulls [​IMG]
     
  3. jjbulls

    jjbulls Pup

  4. Yas,I've seen you write stuff similar to this before and it appears that you are trying to apply the training theories/principles of HUMAN athletes to canines,I'm not so sure it's as cut and dry as you make it out to be.Also I'm pretty sure the old timers had a good handle on getting the most out of their dogs.
     
  5. 12 gauge

    12 gauge CH Dog

    my staffords are kc/akc dual registered and by no means lap dogs. I dont like staffords with barrel chests, short backs and necks (personal preference) I havent seen many that can keep up with much. most show staffords run out of air in the showring let alone performing in other legal venues, no matter how ripped they look, they still lack endurance and resistance. let's see some vids of those good looking staffords of ours, as they say actions speak louder than words and anything is better than nothing.

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  6. Bastian

    Bastian Pup

    I traveled to Birmingham in England this weekend - all the way from Norway - just to see the worlds biggest show of dogs - Crufts. And I got a positive surprise. There were more than 350 staffords there, and most of them looked fit and healthy. The top dogs were beautiful.

    Of course I compare them to the standard of the KC and the FCI.

    10 years ago I saw a lot of staffies looking like fat bulldogs and barrels, but I dont see many of these around anymore (in Norway).
     
  7. Blanco

    Blanco Big Dog

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    Well, i'm not so impressed over the dogs at crufts. These dogs are way to overdone for my taste and i would guess they don't have the stamina to do more than walking around the ring. A couple of pics i found on another forum.
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  8. peppapig

    peppapig Banned

    not one bit of tuck or definition in them 2 pics.....in good shape....my arse....:rolleyes:
     
  9. Bastian

    Bastian Pup

    Blanco: You weren`t there, I was. I know who took these pictures - the person were sited next to me. The first picture was taken because he is the sire of her bitch, and none of these did well in the show.

    There were a lot of goodlooking staffords who fits the standard (of course, it`s Crufts), but they are probably not the way you, or most people in here, like them to be.

    And of course you are right - they will probably not have the same stamina as many of your dogs, but they are the perfect examples of a show-staff as this tread is about.
     
  10. Blanco

    Blanco Big Dog

    I know they are showstaffs, but imo there are some far better show dogs out there that also fits the standard. And that's also a perfect example of the breed;)
     
  11. sunbeam

    sunbeam CH Dog

    some people just do not want to see the truth and refuse to at all cost.
     
  12. Ragingstorm

    Ragingstorm Big Dog

    :eek::eek:

    I'd have to disagree im afraid. To be honest thats probably one of the worst ive seen.......that can not be classed as being in any kind of shape. :(
     
  13. Ragingstorm

    Ragingstorm Big Dog

    12 gauge, loving the vids. How high can Blake climb the tree? 2 of mine love scaling trees too.......theyre hitting about 10-12 ft into the tree, i'll have to video them and put it up. :)
     
  14. oldtymer

    oldtymer Top Dog

    KC has just about fucked up every breed of dog that is registered with them !!!! It really makes me laugh how these show people today can compare their small headed, bug eyed, belly to the ground snorting dogs as the stafford of old . Two trots around the ring and their blowing more steam than stephenson's rocket , yet the owners glorify in their dogs ancesters and how good the breed was when it was fighting in the pits, when they should be concentrating on breeding better healthier dogs than the standard set by the KC. At the end of the day what gives the person/s the right to set these stupid standards other than that they work for the kc and or are judges for the breed and that the mutts they breed are of the bug eye'd type.For me its just outragious that folks buy into this kc crap. Nothing more than unhealthy dogs are being bred day after day mostly to joe public who has'nt got a clue what they are buying other than they will be helping the vet have a large pay packet!! The only thing the kc has ever done and will continue to do is fuck up dogs so bad that one day a lot of breeds will be extinct,except of course for those breeding staffs and other breeds the RIGHT WAY :rolleyes:
     
  15. Blanco

    Blanco Big Dog

    Think you've got me wrong here. I don't like the pics of the dogs i posted but i ment that you'll find Kc staffs that are within the breeds standard and that will perform aswell. For example riskys staffords
     
  16. Bastian

    Bastian Pup

    I do agree that KC has destroyed several breeds, but the FCI-standard that we follow in Norway is made to preserve the breed. They do not look like the dogs from ealy days, but they are still healty staffords. I am not that good to explain in english, but I do believe in this.

    My dog is to tall for the standard, and I love them like he is. And I love the dogs on this forum, but there are dogs out there that is healthy as much as yours - maybe they dont run as far og jump that high, but they are still staffords.

    A staffie is a staffie (if they are indeed a staffie)
     
  17. Ragingstorm

    Ragingstorm Big Dog

    My apologies I thought u were saying they were as capable as athletic staffords, as for Risky Staffords they would run rings around the dog pictured, Risky dogs are in a completely different league of Stafford.
     
  18. Blanco

    Blanco Big Dog

    No worries;) Riskys staffords are som great looking dogs, and from what i've read they're doing very well on the athletic scene. Just mentioned them as a good example of the breed that can be shown and has the drives of a real staff
     
  19. 12 gauge

    12 gauge CH Dog

    Ragingstorm thanks, i figure he can climb an average of 9-11 feet from few steps back. I'd love to see your dogs in action whenever you get some spare time.
    Those dogs at crufts is like Andy said they just starve them over the weekend before the show so they try to make them look descent, at least that's what show fanciers choose to think, pathetic in my opinion.
     
  20. gog123

    gog123 Top Dog

    who cares if a dog fits a standard or not? Id rather a dog do the job it was bred for than look like what some muppet thinks they should...the amount of shit poor quality staffords being bred is beyond a joke...thank god not everyone is blind or a few years down the line when the staffords gone like the bulldog people will be breeding loads of fancy named versions like the dorset and old tyme ect.
    Ive been crufts type show with 2 mates..1 wasnt really into dogs but got us tickets for free so we went..he must of been bored out of his head...me and my mate spent over 2hours with the stafford owners winding the up and showing them up infront of a large growing crowd listening to us tell em how unathletic they lookd :D
     

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