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Keeping a Proper Perspective

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by jawbones, Jul 21, 2005.

  1. jawbones

    jawbones Top Dog

    This is just 1 of two e-mails sent to me saying nearly the same thing:

    Hello, I have been watching your site for some time now. I think you
    have some great dogs and wonderful pictures. I also love how you
    portray such a positive image to the breed. I have noticed that you
    are
    continually changing your dogs. Is there a reason for this. I have
    owned Pit Bulls for some time now and I have been there only home and
    will always be there only home. They are very loyal animals that
    deserve the same loyalty in return. Sad to see Sweety leave, she was
    beautiful dog, but you have some beautiful babies now and I hope to see
    them stick around. Good Luck! S. M.


    I hope my response wasn't too harsh, but man get a grip people, this animal rights, love your dogs like they're human thing can go a little too far. We must learn to keep a proper perspective!

    http://www.freewebs.com/jawbonespitbulls/

    My response.
    ATTN: PET ENTHUSIAST
    It has been called to my attention that we are wrong for moving so many dogs in and out of our kennel. Someone e-mailed me and told me how disappointed they were that we have different dogs on the site from time to time. They continued telling me that they have had the same dogs for years and would never think of trading them or selling them and that they are part of the family.
    My reply is this: We have working dogs here at this little farm. We are not a puppy mill. We hunt during the fall hunting seasons with the exception of hogs which we can hunt all year long. We take excellent care of our animals as should anyone who owns them. I get attached to nearly every dog that comes through this place and hate to see some go, but for various reasons some will and do go. We are not New Agers that treat these guys like humans. We do not worship dogs. We are the Masters, they are the animals. If someone in our circle of friends has something I like better, I am subject to trade. I had rather trade a dog to a friend than sell one to some nut that doesn't need one. So if you look on this site and see changes, it's probably because a dog wouldn't hunt and became someones pet, or, one of my buddies came up with a dog I liked better and we traded. This animal rights nonsense has gone too far and if you are an animal right freak then you are probably on the wrong site.
    Long live all those who love the sporting dog and use them for this purpose with respect and dignity.
     
  2. idgie

    idgie Big Dog

    well done, jawbones - bravo!
     
  3. nice well done
     
  4. After reading Jawbones post, I cannot remain quite....

    Dogs are not cattle, pigs, or horses. I do not agree with trading just b/c you saw something 'better'. There most be a commitment between the human and dog.
    Master? Does the word make you feel powerful? Sure, I believe dogs have rights. The right to be loved and protected. Each one has their own personality and funny attributes. It is hard to see (and understand) this when you have 50 dogs in your keep (I am not saying you per say) and your only aim is to find the "almost dead-game" attitude. Most dogmen know that dogs do more for the love of its human than due to aggression. You, JAWBONES (by your statement above), sound like you care more about the "hunt" and "game" than the dogs. You should get your priorities straight. It is not: You love the game, thus, you get the dog. You love the dog first, thus, you get him into the game (box, hunt, etc).

    I don't blame you...I have reasoned you to be a second or third generation dogman that has been taught a certain way. Old ways are hard to change. I wonder if you ever had a dead-game dog you cried for loosing rather than for loosing the contest. I wonder if you prefer dead game over picking them up. I wonder.....Am I the only one??
     
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  5. the only way to better your yard is to breed only the best. so if i get a cur dog ill send it to u. and maby jaw might too
     
  6. LOON3

    LOON3 Pup

    I like to stay open minded when it comes to Animal Rights to both ends. No, these dogs arent sheep or cattle, but it depends on what you have your dogs for. Sporting dogs come and go, and sometime they go sooner than we would like. The owner knows that, and sometime to improve his/her farm a trade isnt so bad, as long as the trade is with a responsible owner like a close friend or a well known trusted dogman. Its not like they are trading the long term house pet. But I do agree that the dead game mentality goes too far for some dogmen. IMO it just depends on the owners reason for having the dog. And yes dogs should have a master, because it is still an animal, and animals must know who the master is, especially pets. I agree with sporting dogs and show dogs, I dont down either, and I dont think we should, whether you want to call it an AmStaff or a Pit..it really doesnt matter because the govt. with this bsl BS are calling them all pitbulls, so it effects both dogmen...but thats just my thoughts on the matter.
     
  7. You haven't heard of dogs believed to b curs, sent to another dogman and becoming Champions? It has alot to do with the man/dog relationship. and Master....I am my dog's human. He is the human's dog. I am the Alpha male and he is second in command. Understand. Hey, wouldn't you kick yourself if you sent me what you believed to be a cur and I turn it into a champion?

    Did you think of a dog that was first considered a cur, traded and then turned into a champion? off the top of my head I believe Chinaman was one.
     
  8. yea but i spend alot of time with my dogs and when i have to let them go i get dissapointed and do miss some of them and if some one can make it a champ then so be it because i could not do so!
     
  9. LOON3

    LOON3 Pup

    hey you can really send it to me..i had a cur dog once, and my mother got too attatched to it so I really couldnt get rid of it, it turned into our house pet..but one time a deer tried to attack my niece and nephew..and I seen soooooo much game come out that bitch...she fought the deer off for like 35 min...the deer was mad bc the fawn was at the bus stop one morning b4 the kids went to school and it couldnt get out the ditch...but now i dont believe in cur dogs..i think some dogs just need a purpose...i know some people like that..oh yea and the deer really gave it to her
     
  10. Wow! that sounds like exactly what I mean. Did the dog survive the confrontation? A deer is no joke. I am sure she would have been willing to die for your niece and nephew.
     
  11. pretty good well i had a female that was afraid of a dam cat what should i have done with her? i gave it to my sis for a pet just because i got attatched to her. see im a nice guy.
     
  12. rocksteady

    rocksteady I'll drink to that..

    Well then didnt that just backfire in your face? All the more reason to let some dogs go to new homes! Maybe the dogs arent working for the person who owns them and they feel the dog would do better with someone else ... I for one would rather see a dog I owned go to someone who would give it the chance it deserves..

    Ya, it would be nice if we could keep every single dog and have them all turn out great and work for us, but that just isnt the case..

    Tend your own garden before pulling weeds in someone elses' ......
     
  13. misterdogman

    misterdogman CH Dog

    Damn straight MoFro, thats what my Half Brothers Step Daddies babies mama's sister in law use to say about the neighbors...Word to your Mutha...
     
  14. Yes you are. a dog afraid of a cat? was it a pup? That's the only way I see that happening. You could have started with stuffed animals.hehehe. Again, depending on the age....You could have started with a stuffed animal rubbed with the sent of another animal (i.e. cat), started teasing the dog with it not too ruff (depending on the dog's reaction), and on the first time she challenged back (no matter how much of it reaction. a groan or bark is fine) praise her. If you did this a few times, the gameness may have awoken or she was never meant to be boxed. Some dogs learn from very young not to show any aggression towards anything.
     
  15. im all about the game she was just afraid of every thing she has one of the best peds too and raised with all my other dogs maby she was retarted like me.
     
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  16. GaDog

    GaDog Big Dog

    Man this is so interesting. A dog fighting to save a human is the best one could ever hope for. A dog fighting to make a human money is straight bullshit. A round for the owner and a better home for his pooch. Sick bastard is the only title for a dog fighter, a man or bitch to scared to fight for themselves or they would be in the pit with another of their oun kind going for the gold or green. Hunting with the dog is great, fighting your dog is sick, deranged, and the own should be euthinized. That right I said it because I believe it. And if you say only the thugs hurt their dogs go get a hammer and wack yourself for being so stupid. Chinaman is a good example of a dog misused for cash and vile enjoyment of his handlers. Some peeps are so stupid it aint funny no more. Guns they have, guts they are low on.
     
  17. globe arizona nov 12 king of the cage come watch me gadog. b gonzales
     
  18. rocksteady

    rocksteady I'll drink to that..

    So who keeps hitting u with the hammer?? If you want people to LISTEN to you, you need to go and clean out your dutty mouth with some LISTERINE..

    Bashing people with your filth isnt going to change any minds or allow people to see your side of the long story.


    How many darn times do we have to repeat ourselves? NO ONE ON THIS SITE FIGHTS THEIR DOGS ITS ILLEGAL

    "working" pertains to hunting, agility,obedience, search and rescue or any other LEGAL activity one can think of..


    Talk talk talk... its old.. time to find yourself a new hobby
     
  19. I am a MMA fan and watch King of the cage but obviously prefer Pride ....what did you say about "gadog"?
     
  20. Rocksteady, I second that! Glad to agree with you!
     

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