judgeing and breeding to a cold dog...??????

ive got a greyound that cant run but she still produced some good ones now i recomend breeding greyounds that cant run
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lol

 

However i DID understand wat GH ment. HE was looking trying to find a ecspenation for this strange behavier of a cold dog...
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are you shure ?
half year ago somebody said.(insider)..leave yemil in peace .
we al know this days he just bissy with points and conformation

 

that is a triple dead game greyhound LMAOROTF

 

a cold dog is a dog that wont fire up, a cur is a dog who quit, so how can a cold dog be a cur if he never started up ? a lot of good dogs came from cold dogs

 

A tru cold mutts will not do shit but wage its tail and make a nice pet some times breed...I beed around few mutts that made ch and winners but was out of a cold bicth but will not breed a cold male or cold mutt off a cold mutt or breed tight on that cold bicth ....just my op and what I learn from a old skool lady

 

Nicely put. Good question. But then one could also ask how can a cold dog be thought of as game because it never start up yet?
Dont think anyone is disputing that there have been a lot of good ones down from cold dogs that were off a solid background of good dogs, but are saying that not every cold dog produced well, just like not every great dog or game dog produced well. But if the great dog or game dog from a background of similar dogs is available would u use the cold dog instead? Also I understand that many are saying that the cold dogs that produced well never produce well just because they were cold but there was a genetic reason for producing well, ie they were off good dogs that were off good dogs and the males they were bred to resulted in a good nick of the genes of both sire and cold dam.
@ least thats how I understand what the gents are saying.

 

again some misunderstanding a dog that is not starting up afther a nr of atemps to do so is labeld as a >Rank cur<. A cold dog never acts as a dog that wil not start up. he is cold from the get go and stands there wags its tail. but at times they do takes his bully frind out of its hold then lets go. They dont scrachs nor do they take off ore jump out the box.
They keep on waging there tail and take there bully frind of of them and keep doing that til they are dead ..... Now in order to be labeld as a game dog they are lookt upon ore >ecspected< to scratch and fight back.
To be labeld a cur they need to fight and then quit.
In the case of a cold dog the thing they do is take there death without quiting ore fighting back.
But they DO take there DEATH........ Someting a cur ore a quitter would never do!!!. . So the million dollar question and awnser in that cold case is. how do we discribe the fact that a cold dog takes its death!!!!!. ....
are we going to call those type of dogs retarts, or worthless curs or watever. ore do we look deeper into the fact that he ore she takes there death without complaining. so biside no fight ore flight mode how do we difine ore call the shear fact they do take there death. Is caracter ore some sort of gamennes. Tru history of man kind we have heard seen movies ore learned of many casses of man ecsepting death without fighting. can nt remember anyone of those aczamples of being labeld as cowerds/curs, but as man who showed caracter gamennes if you like.

Now my question to those who are compleat agains wat i claim . How many of you actualy had a real cold bitch and bred of of it please show us there peds and there ofspring.....

as for
red beard.s post:
Quote Originally Posted by rebeard View Post
any time you read an article were somone trying to justify breeding to cold dogs you can bet they just bred a cold dog lol talk about drama all this to justify breding a cold dog lol

ive got a greyound that cant run but she still produced some good ones now i recomend breeding greyounds that cant run lol

any time you read an article were somone trying to justify breeding to cold dogs you can bet they just bred a cold dog

ive got a greyound that cant run but she still produced some good ones now i recomend breeding greyounds that cant run.<<>>end of QUOTE

My last question from the above part of my post is for you as wel. atachst to that i like to ask.
Have you ever been in a actif position to be able to actualy KNOW wat your on about and have you ever seen a cold dog in your life!! ore bred to one. Better yet how many of the dogs you bred to (besides the two i bred) have you put tru the test!!!!. The awnser to those questions is NO and NON...... So how can you ever be able to make that post without makeing a fool of yourself to those who have been there and who know.......

 

Your the one with the misunderstandings Limey, as you JUST contradicted your self by saying if a dog dosnt start up after many attempts its labeled as a rank cur but YET in your next sentence you said that to be labeled a cur they need to fight and then quit.

How does a unstarted dog QUIT???? A dog has to (start) "WANT", to fight before it can quit and be called a cur.

Here is a example> If a dog doesnt start by 4 years old and you, Limey would call and label him a cur right? You give that dog to someone else and 2 years later that dog starts up and proves to be deep game. Now let me ask you the MILLION DOLLAR question which answer would you choose?

A. Did that dog go from BEING a CUR to a deep game dog?

B. Did that dog go from BEING a UNSTARTED dog to a deep game dog?

You keep on saying that a cold dog wont ever start, now let me ask you another MILLION DOLLAR question , have you ever tried to give all the cold dogs you experienced another chance at starting up later in life?????

The common denominator in a unstarted and cold dog is that they both are not really trying to fight back and if left down they BOTH will take there death as both of them do NOT want to ENGAGE in a fight.

There have been cold dogs that have stared up later in life when giving the chance and there have also been cold dogs that have never started up ever in there life time even when given a chance. There also have been some late starters that started up later in life only to quit and there have been some late starters that start up later in life and showed game.

When it comes to these dogs almost anything can happen as nothing is written in stone when it comes to Natures way BUT Nature will usually cull the exceptions that won't follow its rules.

Im done , if you dont get it by now you never will LMAO.

 

created his own world ....already for years lol

 

Im putting it down, im culling it, im getting rid of it, im burning the papers,
Im never gonna regret it, im moving forward, and i dam sure never breeding it.
87

 

no limey I never seen anything til I met you and the guy here you introduced me to who would not even roll a dog, let me break your thesis down to its most simplistic level ,,you got a bitch off your hero it was cold but you still bred it , several years later you got another bitch off your hero again it was cold and again you still bred it ,,the end lol

 

I had a cold bitch many years ago that produced a good litter for me but she was inbred on a Gr Ch that was out of a Gr Ch and had a lot of other winners in her ped. It was an accidental breeding and I never bred her again but been line breeding on her best daughters from that litter. She didn't produce because she was cold she produced because she had a great family of dogs behind her. Keep breeding on cold dogs and you'll have a family of cold dogs producing cold dogs.

 

emil can you tel something about the littermate's ..of the last bitch gary sended .
the dove and cold one ?

 

was this bitch his first choice ... to send to you ???

 

or was it just one in the litter .

 

I agree a cold dog is one that won't start but will sit there until they are killed and take thier death they don't jump the pit walls...the only way I would breed to a cold dog was if she was the last of that blood..but I would make sure I was very selective on the offspring. .

 

..it's everybody has there own idea off what a cold dog is...heres another that happend yesteryear...the chaff was being sorted from the wheat,,one day it came to a grey+white bitch,,well she just would'nt start full stop no matter how many time she was tried...it came time (3 month later) time to move her on,so one last chance...and guess what....ya could'nt stop her...strange

 

We had a gyp like that off of busenbarks barney x bulldog ps rita...let me give you some info on rita she won a match at 9 and a half years old she won against a 2xw in 32 minutes. .Rita looked like a heinz 57 dog had black around her muzzle and tail a dark buckskin in color and a head I swear looked like a collies long snout ,skinny head but my god could she bite...rita was by rebels ch.bubba x brodts maskey (maskey was a double bred grandaughter of ch. Rascal) not too many can win at almost 10 years old but rita was one bad ass bitch. ..anyway little rita was a loud yapping dog we got tired of her barking and raising hell all the time..so when we tested her she looked like crap so we put her back on chain...we went to test her again ..same thing turning and snapping and not taking hold.. we were so fed up with this loudmouth dog we went and got one bad gyp to try to kill her...would you believe once this other dog was putting a hurt on her little rita woke up and smoked this bitch..we literally freaked out. ...when we went to test again same thing she looked like a junk dog tull we put abother bad ass bitch to kill her that was only time she would put a dog away...this bitch was a bad ass dog ...but only when she had a rough mouthed dog on her hurting her.....funny how these dogs are at times

 

...good read bp...all ways convinced that some would only try hard when they met hard one's..and other times would sit on there ass..the trouble with them as ya know is ya just could'nt take the chance on them doing that on the day..lol..some used to bite hard when bitten hard...they could be strange at times back then.....thats for sure....