judgeing and breeding to a cold dog...??????

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>( POST TAKEN FROM ANOTHER TOPIC ITS ABOUT COLD DOGS SO I COPIED IT AND PLACED IT HERERE WITH MY REPONDS.




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Default Re: Hubbard's Gimp And Some Offsprings By Howard Heinzl
Quote Originally Posted by Limey kennels View Post
Il have a big sirprize in a couple of days about breeding cold dogs(on the cold dog topic). as you know i have been rediculed resendly. il be sirprized how the necst man in line who bred to cold bitches wil as wel... and for the record HE sais the same as i do . wich was that the cold bitches he bred to produced better then his game dogs..

Oh boy, We can't wait!

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Default Re: Hubbard's Gimp And Some Offsprings By Howard Heinzl
Slimey as badly as you want to come off as Data on Star Trek, you don't and WILL not come up with the proper comparison as to game bitches producing and cold bitches producing. Besides the lies behind many dogs, there are other things which prevent you from doing so.

Now, while you may be able to find many cold bitches that have produced, you refuse to learn that they didn't produce because they were cold. They produced due to other factors which created the proper "nick" genetically. But there is another thing which will prevent you from being accurate in your statement.

You apparently don't realize that most famous or well known bitches are such, NOT because they were game bitches, but because they were destructive, bad bitches. You'll be hard pressed to come up with very many bitches that were bred just because they were game. You plainly just don't know about them. You won't even be able to find proper information on most of them because they either lost game or were never matched. Even if you were privy to them, you'd realize that many, many of them produced damned well, and in fact in incredibly higher numbers than cold bitches. So your burden of proof in your erratic statement just isn't going to wash, based on the fact your numbers and accuracy of all those lesser known, little known or unknown game bitches will be errant as hell.

I hope most readers are cognizant of what I just said as they read your conjured up sieve of a comparison. )<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,,


Ok let me comend on your e mail and kind of RETARD on you 2 wannabee,s who seem to like doing so in order to show of big bad and bold .

First of all AGK your telling ME that i refuse to LEARN!!!!!. who are you THE SCHOOL TEACHER!!.
Dont make me laughf. First of starting to call me Slimey insted of Limey is real mature and testomonional of a inmature brain, that shows its not capeble of coping with reality ore topic that is not going his way to feel stronger in doing so, its also showing disrespect. Cant belive you need that to redicule and douwngrade me for my hounesty and belive.

I ore WE have been breeding and fooling around with these dogs long enoughf not to be belittled bij a guy like your self.
At least we had a history of some of the best producing dogs in the world and be able to shear it with others who feel like its worthy to them...We have bred a shit load of ch and have send many a pup that became ch dogs all over the world ranging from good old USA to Russia far east europe canada iven guam. In the hands of capeble old timers and rookies. Where these dogs have shown there worth all over . Meeting the best from CAP USA to in the F Boudraux groop, and in the hands of old Brodway Jack the wolf pack, silver dollar, B.Hall/D burton groop ecetera ecetera ecetea ecetera ecetera.
The record is a mile long over a 30+year period, and needs no intro for those who know..
aperendly your from another era wimping me of as some sort of moron!!. but hey if you feel beter doing so and makes you feel more secure thats ok.........

But dont pretent you can teach me anyting if all... The producing quality of wel bred cold biches have been known tru history to a lot of real doggers for a very long time. Its striking that 90% of the serius dogman and breeders of the past and today ALL confirm that the cold bitches THEY bred to ,produced in most casses BETER then there game dogs did .

As it is you pretend that a cold dog/bitch is very common .Belive me they are as rare as GRCH dogs. As said befor 90% of the dogs being labeld as cold are rank curs....
There are a hell of a lot more game dogs in this world then Cold dogs and tenfold over curs.
AND THERE ARE A HELL OF A LOT MORE BREEDINGS DONE WITH GAME DOGS THEN WITH COLD DOGS....... simplye because there are not many of them...

You wrighting that it was, ore is imposible for me to come up with data to do so to come up with a comperison has a FLIP SIDE TO THAT COIN, AS I CAN for the simple rezen that I came across a handfull real cold dogs in my life compeard to lots and lots and lots of gamedogs...As it is most wel known dogman from history As the wel known breeders of yesterday and today where i have rubt schoulders with. ALL said and claimed the same consirning the cold bitch breeding %......

Yours truly had the plessure and houner to have had Havanna boys Chico in my house for this past short week!!.
you know the man who was involved with and had 19 ch and 9 grch who is from my generation. . And gues wat while taking Bullshit Around bulldogs as we call it, for a couple of days, There where some very intresting data details and stories that came up from wel known dogs and dogman from the past he was asosiated with and stuf i didnt knew as i was not a part of it.

HE said that the cold bitches they bred to. Produced the best and better then the game dogs they bred to DING DING DING!!! Do we have another winner here... And that he had NO problem me using his info to tell these internet wannabees he had the same ecsperienses breeding to cold bitches as we did. Like 90% of the breeders i knew/know...
he gave me al the names of the dogs and ch and grch that came out of these bitches he fooled around with, but to tel you the truth i forgot as there where to mutch dogs to remember and gues what that man like myself is yes another walking DATA BANK who stores a lot in his brain. Someting that thuse seem to bother you as that DATA seems to come over the years. . Guys like him forget more then most others know. ...I might ask him again tho wich dogs they where and the names of the bitches.......

Now is it just me you dont take seriusly anymore. as you said in a previus post,,,,, ore do you take ALL those dogman in acount who claim and said and belive and lived tru the same as i did.................

as for hard biting bone crunsing bitches. wich one did ever reproduced itself!??. let me tell you NOT 1. and the best ones always die first. wat are left is ofthen there Game siblings.. im not sure from witch plannet you come from but tru history people rather breed to game bitches/dogs then roughf hard mouthed bone crunsing ones unless your a beginner...... Now about the proper NICK in your post. your words are in that case meaningless as in EVERY BREEDING ITS ABOUT THE NICK. YET AGAIN HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT THERE IS A LOT OF NICKING THAT HAPPEND TO COLD BITCHES WHEN BRED..............

 

yemil for example a dog like stratos was to cry ......
somebody say at least yemil we undrstand when he make a point .
ok ..
but can i make a point ..if i nevr was open to the world ..don't think so
you ducked keystone dogs ..sence you took the genes over from limey kennels mid 80 ties
you also kept there name lol

 

but its truh ..good ones often die

 

it hardly happen that one dog of a family is producing
if a family is producing it can be the cold to
but its a family thing
but again a cold one produce better then a hot one ..is bollux

 

Lol,. I said you refuse to learn?. Please show me where I ever said that... I dont give 2 shits what you breed to, what you know or have learned or who you rub elbows with, I thought i let that be known in post #182. I think you have TDK's posts confused with mine. My classroom is always open for you.. :lol:


Oh, Im pretty sure TDK dont care either..... :lol:

Lmao at your statistics, you get those from cali jack?. bahahaha


You have such distain for myself that you let your ego surpass your capabilities. People like you crack me up. They don't have a humble bone in their body. "I am gamedog god hear me roar".... lmfao. When they can't get their way or their point across they belittle others or start the name dropping as if that makes them look important or relivent. These types have no respect for people in general as they feel they are above all. Real jerk off types. I said my peace on how I feel about breeding cold dogs what others do is their buisness not mine and because it differs from your double dead game theory you seem to try to poke me with a stick on what other people post as if it was me who posted it, even using me as a centerpiece in your sad little attempt to prove something. Get your qoutes straight before you make yourself like a bigger fool, as if that were possible.....

 

Oh, and I dont think it was me that refered to you as slimey allthough I wish I did come upwith that cuz its funny ass hell..... :lol:

 

yemil when say your name in Russia they start to smile .
far east think have something to do with Dimitri his breedings ..
if i wanted Dimitri send evry male i wished to breed with from his yard
it did not happen thought ..to much complicated

 

I think PP was the first person I heard call him slimey and TDK second lmao.

 

Man I be missing all the good stuff I have to start loggin in more often, but did TDK say that Limey "Data from Star Trek" oh man that is classic.

 

LMAO@Grch's are as rare as cold dogs, I highly doubt that (Unless its a common practice to cull Grand champions) LOL.

Of course there are a lot more breeding practices done with game dogs because that is the NORM......while a cold dog is the exception to the rule and most times they ARE CULLED, which is another reason why there arent many of them around LOL.

Lets say one has 5 bitches in a litter.
1. Grand champion
2. Champion
3. Game loser
4. Cur
5. Cold

Which of those 5 dogs do you keep and which of those dogs do you cull? I am sure most people will choose 1-3 to keep and cull 4. and 5. LOL

Can a cold dog produce? Yes they can BUT so can CURS, what you fail to realize is that those are the EXCEPTION to the rules and NOT the norm, you might be able to get away with it once or even twice but if you continue to breed COLD or CUR dogs to each other your percentages will be higher and in favor of the Cold and Cur dogs which is going in the opposite direction of what dogmen have been striving for all these years which is to preserve that GAMENESS Trait.

 

All I see is encouragement for internet newbies to breed there pets in hope of getting better pets lmao.
Go PETS! In just one breeding you'll ave an adba, ukc, bfkc, what ever other registry exist. Then you DNA profile that shit,
Then you call it a dog that is like 7 generations back and boom!

 

Q Limey, going by what you say,I'm hearing that you'd prefer a cold bitch over a game bitch??
A I belive i Never said i prefear to breed to cold bitches. i said that i breed to them , and that my own ecsperiens with that is that they produced better then when i bred to my game bitches. had 2 myself seen 4 in my life.

I also stated that Every wel known dogman i know claimed that the cold bitches they themself bred to produced better then there game bitches. and sins they ARE rare indeed, cold bitches are not bred anyway near as ofthen as game bitches are.

From the man i know THEY ALL say that the cold bitch(es) they bred to,that there cold bitches produced BETER then the game bitches they bred to. Now these dogman didnt have a shit load of cold bitches , but just like me your od one ore two ore 3 in there intyer careers. statistics showed us that whn compearing there % of producing game dogs they produced higher% of game dogs.

I also stated that in a one on one confersation with G H how he would discribed a cold dog that he said wel its >>nearly imposible to do so<<<, But its like deadgamenes turned over in itself kinda like dubble dead gamenes if you like . And look here necst thing these idiots above claim that they are >my words< and my belive. I used his words to discribe in wat catogory some people try to put these typ of dogs in.

However i DID understand wat GH ment. HE was looking trying to find a ecspenation for this strange behavier of a cold dog...
anyway a clear case of shooting the messenger. who clearly play it on the person.

Then my own ecsperienses with breeding to cold bitches sirprisingly holds the same ground with wat history books told us And wat the great dogman of yesterday and who are still around today live tru. and breed to

with these people its NOT the ecseption to the rule. Its wat they say said and claim. these dogman/breeders who al have there own diferend famelies/bloodlines and share that same ecsperienses. Then its obviusly that its not the ecseption rather the rule when cold bitches are bred and show there producing % of good gamedogs.

Its also obvius that sirtin people here argu on the person no matter wat, insted of coming up with what a cold dogs is . Its clearly some sort of default mutand ore watever....But not for the worced . Some people reconize a quality >in them< from where they know when they bred them they get superb % of good dogs. THEY dont look at them as inferior dogs for the rezen that they dont START ore woned Scratch.
But rather aprisiate and use the fact that these same dogs refuse to runn of and jump and stand there waging there tail taking there deaths... Now you can wave that of if you feel like it and label them as crap shit dogs. Thats ok.

However i know diferend. my time as a hard ass trying to look al big and bad are days gone by.
Im hounest enoughf to say wat i do when breeding and wat my belives and ecseprienses are. together with the dogman who have great reputations who dont feel imbarest for one second to say the same thing breeding to cold bitches if they have them.....

 

A dead dog is always cold. Never seen a double dead one. But sometimes a dead dog isn't game at all, it just couldn't get out of that last hold and run away.

 

Im hounest enoughf to say wat i do when breeding and wat my belives and ecseprienses are. together with the dogman who have great reputations who dont feel imbarest for one second to say the same thing breeding to cold bitches if they have them.....
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pppppffff you shure ??

 

any time you read an article were somone trying to justify breeding to cold dogs you can bet they just bred a cold dog lol talk about drama all this to justify breding a cold dog lol

ive got a greyound that cant run but she still produced some good ones now i recomend breeding greyounds that cant run lol

any time you read an article were somone trying to justify breeding to cold dogs you can bet they just bred a cold dog

ive got a greyound that cant run but she still produced some good ones now i recomend breeding greyounds that cant run

 

doublespeak lol