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judgeing and breeding to a cold dog...??????

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by BLUE8BULL, Jul 9, 2014.

  1. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    What Slimey doesn't seem to comprehend is that if a cold bitch produces well, it is NOT BECAUSE SHE WAS COLD. It just happened to nick. You can damned well go on from there if things stay solid, but doubling back on one is insane and invites exactly the opposite of why we breed them. Silly.

    I wouldn't chastise anyone who calculated one time and made sure everything around and behind the bitch was basically outstanding. I just wouldn't make a habit of it because it isn't of high chance you'll be successful with it, given like begets like. When and if it does, you want it to beget the best qualities in the parents and those closely to the front. Coldness is not one of them.

    List all the cold bitches that have produced you want. Throw in some curs while you're at it. Both are incredibly outplayed by breeding outstanding, game dogs both by quality and huge number. Slimey can make all his conveniences he wants, but facts are facts.
     
  2. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Im not arguing that cold dogs have not produced before. They have. Just like some winners didnt produce anything. I get that, what I dont get is saying most times they produce better. For one, that cant be proven as there have been plenty of cold dogs over the years, many of which we will never hear about. Second, condoning the practice of doing it regularly. I mean, its matters not to me because I myself would never practice it. Dont give 2 shits if it was the last of.the line, looks like it goes extinct then. To say everyone does it implies one knows all the people in the world and surely they dont which.means they talkin out they ass. There are many good kennels out there against the practice as well. I guess the guys who have helped me along the way are just cut from.and older cloth lmao. I dont have a problem with people breeding cold dogs or curs if thats what you want to practice, what one does with their dogs is their perogative. Just dont act like its an acceptable practice by all since surely it's not. I'll leave it at that and let those who feel the need to justify breeding cold dogs and curs to do as they wish. I always heard, breed your gamedogs to your gamedogs and you will get more gamedogs. Never once did I ever hear except if you get a cold bitch, then its ok because its double dead game or because everyone is doing it or done it. I look at it, to say maybe the dog was poorly bred when it didnt work out is just another excuse. Especially not even knowing and just assuming. Lol as if we fuck with street bred trash. It's easy to talk that shit over a PC and across the pond. What someone done did in the past dont excite me. We live in the here and now not decades gone by..... Chase all the dead dogs you want.....
     
  3. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    cleu less about the breeding on that moment lol
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    cleuless about the genes also on that moment
     
  4. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    producing most of the time it has to do with family breeding
     
  5. STONEY

    STONEY Pup

    reading this thread just made me stupid for a bit.... why bred to a cold dog when there are so many good ones worthy of breeding to?
     
  6. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    its al about the breeding .


    earl tudor


    if somebody say cold produce better then hot bitches ...is ridiculas.
     
  7. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    WHEN your breeding a certain way/line/etc..and all ya left is a cold bitch..happens a-lot more than ya think...jus an example
     
  8. blueboy

    blueboy Big Dog

    If all you have left is cold to continue the line. Is the line worth saving?
     
  9. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Lol talk about backing yourself in a corner !dam blue !
     
  10. ursaminor

    ursaminor Top Dog

    yea if all you got is cold bitches u doing something wrong homie lol
     
  11. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

    Just ask yourself this. Do you check & cull?
    If the answer is yes then know this. Weather a dog is cold or not you still have to check each one & cull the ones that don't work.
    After so many generations the dog "cold will get bred out of or down to a point in the family were is doesn't even matter.
    If you choose to breed to it make sure you breed away from it & not inbreed heavy on that side.
    Treat the dogs down from it like any other but check harder than any other & cull the ones you question.
    That's my feelings on breeding any dog ,cold or not.
     
  12. ziggy311

    ziggy311 Big Dog

    That's if you just have to breed to the cold dog for whatever reasons.
     
  13. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    ....a lot never even bother to check bitch's they would jus use if they were bred right....
     
  14. STONEY

    STONEY Pup

    the truth is it doesn't matter the dog can produce or it cant ....... people who back there selfs into a corner on breeding dogs dont care about qualitiy all they want to do is add the same name in there ped a shit load of times period...... if the first few generations are nothing worth a damn what makes anyone think the shit they are breeding is gonna be worth a damn ?
     
  15. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I agree stoney ...I think this maybe should be one of the first lessons taught about breeding...I was taught this very early and have talked to other old timers that have repeated this in our first conversations.
     
  16. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    waht ever you do ..what evr you put together theer is Always one that start lol
    but if you only get cold ..then you are your self cleuless about way of line
     
  17. patjr

    patjr Top Dog

    LOL...it's gone from COLD, to ya only need the male to be HOT, then ultimately, hallelujah how about letting them all fu#k and let's see what happens....LMFAO.
     
  18. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    Pat Jr. That's the downside of being a know-it-all...........if you learn anything or change your view, you've lost your credibility as a know-it-all. LMAO
     
  19. patjr

    patjr Top Dog

    Then again perhaps I've read too much into " the truth is it doesn't matter the dog can produce or it can't " which is usually said when a lesser quality dog is breed in comparison to it's better performing siblings.....(Yep I know these truth in the statement but damn it sure does make for a lot of breedings)
     
  20. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    I guess some of that might depend on what one considers lesser (Or doesn't). Personally, if I have a ch dog that is a top cabin performer and a brother that has shown his gameness yet not the same prowess otherwise, I will damned sure breed them both (Unless I question the gameness of the performer). However, you are right, as many breed by convenience, and excuses to breed the lesser dogs are a dime a dozen.

    Selectivity comes in various forms, but I will always consider the game dog the ultimate dog to breed.
     

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