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Irish staff fact or fiction

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by lamp, Dec 12, 2015.

  1. lamp

    lamp Big Dog

    Shit thing to do really as some people like a pacific line for breeding programs and to see two different sire's to her is a bit of a shock,surely there's some one who can clarify the truth?
  2. Smuggler

    Smuggler Pup

    A fair number of rocky lee dogs have an apbt input, also the r.Bull stuff but i wouldnt class this as irish. So even the wellbred lines are not exactly pure never mind all the papered irish dogs that the peddlers sell for a quick buck with scant regard for ruining staff lines. Trial lines such as jigsaw ,paddy go back to ebt and staff mixes so in truth an irish staff is a pitdog with mostly stafford blood with few exceptions. The ones that are genuinely pure staffs that go back to the likes of gentleman jim etc with no mix at all are probably fat useless kc dogs which are further removed from what a staff should be than the irish dogs. So take ya pick.
  3. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    beanie??? who's that?
  4. mixed-grill

    mixed-grill Big Dog

    These so called 'Irish' Staffords come with more than a fair share of storys, myths and bullshite...theres been a couple of Peds on the Beanie bitch...plus the story that the original owner didnt know how she was really bred(which i think is nearer to the truth)...seems to be a few old Stafford owners who like to rock up on the internet these days and do a bit of mythbusting and bubble bursting...maybe it helps justify in their own minds why they quit on the breed...i'd take it with a large pinch of salt...and with all these storys what you really need to keep in mind...is that those same dogmen moved on from the Stafford into the APBT...do you think they changed their paperhanging cheating ways???...leopards and spots and all that
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  5. mixed-grill

    mixed-grill Big Dog

    It was Dann that first used the 'Irish' tag...to mark the difference between the Staff's he was selling that he had brought over from Ireland(red warrior ect)...and the bog standard KC Staffords...the 'Irish' tag then got used by breeders/peddlers on any line that originated from Ireland as a sales pitch...I'd rate some of the stuff Dann brought over and bred as some of the best of the lot...the much underrated Portsmouth Josh(RockyXBess) being a prime example(2XW-3XL) a game, hard tested little Staff that went into decent opposition(compared to alot around at that time)..he was also kept as a family pet...but then I am biased
  6. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    2w-3L?? Wonder why they kept bringin him out???
  7. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    I was always taught that you can learn more about a dog from an L than a W. These days alot are more interested in cash, but I can remember a time when dogs that were taking a whooping were picked up and brought back out. Maybe his 3 Ls were in a fashion as to make one think they would have had a different outcome if a few minor things went diff.

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  8. 1flapjack

    1flapjack Pup

    nicely put!
  9. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    I see where you goin... But... I ain't puttin him down after 2 Ls. If I picked up game twice, obviously he is lacking ability, mouth, or somethin. Why take him out a third?? I would breed him tho, to a higher ability female if possible. Maybe keep him as a teacher
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  10. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    I have heard a lot of things about rock lee and read a lot of different stories about him. I'm confused now and his daughter beanie too.
  11. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    Rocky Lee is a very nice looking Dog.
  12. nasher

    nasher Big Dog

    Hello mixed grill you are right about Josh bud I met his owner recently and atop bloke no pretences or bull shit like some he told me it was only stamina that he lost never quit.Most dogs after they had been in with Josh were never matched again as they were too damaged and the only one that gave him a run for his money was Stormer.
  13. mixed-grill

    mixed-grill Big Dog

    Won his first over a Patrick bred dog...killed it in 40mins
    Lost his second into CH Stormer picked up game around 1hr- 30
    Lost his second into a 2XW Patrick bred dog called Cooper picked up 1hr-35...as a result of the match Cooper couldnt be brought out again for his championship
    Won his 4th into a son of cooper called Nigger...around 1hr-30
    Lost his 4th in Ch Smuggler...picked up around the hour mark...then retired

    They brought him out because they believed he could win...and was willing to wager on it
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  14. mixed-grill

    mixed-grill Big Dog

    Alright Nasher hope alls good with you mate...i remember meeting the owner of his daughter with you some years back...he said the same about Josh...a decent foundation stone to have in your dogs...hopefully catch up with you and Barnstorm for a beer sometime this year
  15. mixed-grill

    mixed-grill Big Dog

    I think you are Confused mate...Beanie was Not Rocky Lee's daughter!.
  16. mixed-grill

    mixed-grill Big Dog

    Made a couple a typos there...ment to list 1st to 5th match...listed 2nd &4th twice...but sure you get the jist ;)
  17. nasher

    nasher Big Dog

    Correct me if I'm wrong the 2nd outing he ripped the face off the Patrick dog and for was not Josh being the lesser dog other reasons why his owner picked him up, people did not like him beating there expensive apbt!!!
    Mixed grill be could to meet up been a long time forgot about the pub long time ago and Josh owner would like to meet up and see the dogs and meet barnstorm as he has spoken to him and happy new year bud.
  18. sunbeam

    sunbeam CH Dog

    Joss theres a blast from the past

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