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Irish staff fact or fiction

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by lamp, Dec 12, 2015.

  1. lamp

    lamp Big Dog

    Puzzled really,having kept staffs for many years Irish mainly mr butcher claims there is no such thing and he was the man behind the DDA act?
     
  2. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    There was a man that had an ad an an old journal in which he had bred working irish staffs for sometime before he placed the add, the dogs looked alot like...
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [43864] :: HENRY'S IMPORTED RICHMOND (8XW)
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [4251] :: STEPHANY'S MUTT (KOMOSINSKI'S)
    Maybe it was the color white which makes thier heads seem more rounded, but they reminded me of a english bull terrier cross...
    Never the less, they seemed nice...

    What is the DDA act... Disability discrimination act???
     
  3. toom

    toom Big Dog

    To me the irish staff is nothing more then a mostly staffy bullterrier cross with some pit in the mix.Komosinski also bred bullterriers at one time,,,,,makes you wonder seeing some of those old photo's.
     
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  4. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    irish staffords are just another line of bull and terrier. it can refer to those that are the same as jack sutton, or to working staffords.
     
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  5. phoenix walk

    phoenix walk Big Dog

    @ eliaspistola the DDA is dangerous dogs act more commonly called BSL, apbt and type are banned in the UK
     
  6. lamp

    lamp Big Dog

    Amended 2013 to every dog not just apbt types,
    More bollox
     
  7. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Staffordshire Bull terriers are a show dog since the 1930s.... in Ireland a lot of SBT ware kept for fighting and badger trials ,,, the show dogs from UK ware very poor in general ,,,the strains in Ireland kept the gameness and that is all it means when they say Irish SBT ,,,
     
  8. lamp

    lamp Big Dog

    I always had it they just bred worker to worker with crosses staff to bull terrier expected and the red strain being the purest not saying the best,
    But I can't see where it's an alias for apbt the mans a fool.
     
  9. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    according to Lrs, staff x molosser crosses are the new status dog. but i notice am bulldogs getting up there in popularity.
     
  10. lamp

    lamp Big Dog

    You couldn't give me neither
     
  11. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    i'd enjoy both as pets. but not as serious working dogs. but then a good, game, stafford crossed into an old tyme bulldog or bullmastiff.i'd take that.
     
  12. lamp

    lamp Big Dog

    I can't see the purpose of them like neo x pit = bang dog why? ok for guard or protection just biters if I remember this is what started as a means to the end just big dangerous dogs.
     
  13. Lrs

    Lrs Big Dog

    9/10 bandogs are crap just bred to look good on the end of an over sized chain.but if bred properly then there one mean protection dog.
     
  14. Robertosilva

    Robertosilva CH Dog

    Bull x Greyhounds are getting popular in the UK. Most of the jokes on the hunting forums are about owning a bull cross 26" 75lbs.
     
  15. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    yeah. i hear dumbs teenagers let em on deer. and then leave the deer! of course, to make the bull lurcher a demon dog, the media went out of its way to make sure we all knew only pit bulls were crossed with greyhounds. not the lovable staffy.
     
  16. Lrs

    Lrs Big Dog

    Yeah a lot of people realised you can't do a lot with bandogs/staffies but any bull lurcher can run down a rabbit so you can show of to your mates what your dog killed.
     
  17. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    yeah. i imagine inner city thugs are the ones wanting bandogs, rotts, etc.
    around here it's am bullies. i remember my pound cur latched onto a bully that thought it was real shit.owner was letting it lunge at kids. so i let my girl teach it a lesson when it lunged at her. this bully made the weirdest damn sound and started breathing real heavy and freaking out... that's tough? it's all about the looks. none of these dolts will ever back their claims.
     
  18. brenner

    brenner Pup

    To my knowledge , the Irish staffs were just pet staffs bought in from England to Ireland back in the day and worked on badger or matched. The Irish lads bred from the dogs that proved useful and the result was called "Irish staffs" . There are lines still going today but common sense would tell u that there is something else in the mix now (p.b.t blood) as it would be impossible to keep a line going for that many years with such a small gene pool of working bred staffs .
     
  19. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    All good reads...
    I would go on a limb and say wheteher you believe in the paul terrier and red smutt or not, bulldogs of this type were documented long before anybreed was called staffs...

    I agree either different families or types were introduced as time went by and doubt there are any really any more pure than staffs or apbts...

    I am sure travelers and gypsys have been keeping these dogs for alot longer that we could imagine and in thier travels, dogs are traded, bred, bought or stolen and I am sure they were of the strongest types as non workers werent kept and they were/are very proud of thier dogs...

    As far as Ireland, I am not sure of thier history the last decade and would be of great interest to hear from those who have been there and know the folk lore...

    Maybe someone can dig up the ad in the sdj of a man selling working irish staffs, I have been looking to no avial...
     
  20. Lrs

    Lrs Big Dog

    The gypsy thing with blue pauls is a myth I think.I'm from a gypsy family in the uk.the only dogs commonly kept are lurchers(who some say we pioneered) and small terriers for killing rats.most gypsys wont keep a dog that'll have ago at another dog one decent bite can end a lurchers working life.
     
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