"In the show ring if he tries to bite the judge, it is perfectly acceptable."

"In the show ring if he tries to bite the judge, it is perfectly acceptable."

check out the link http://www.moloss.com/001/breed/def/d004/ . Very nice breed but the second to last line kinda stund me... made me wonder why they make such a big deal about our breed.... kinda looks like a pit bull too...

 

Re: "In the show ring if he tries to bite the judge, it is perfectly acceptable."

that could certainly be mistaken for an apbt. But everything else is anyway. But yes that breed could cause some problems for bulldogs.

 

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Actually i know a few judges that prefer "Guard dog breeds" to be protective over there owner....the judges carry around a stick and they look for the dog to growl and watch them. But it only goes for the dogs that were bred to protect. Not for an apbt! they are not bred for protection.

 

Re: "In the show ring if he tries to bite the judge, it is perfectly acceptable."

The thing we must remember is that those dogs are NOT APBTs nor are they to be judged as such. In fact, those dogs were not bred to be easily handled, or handled at all, by strangers, so aloofness in the ring is acceptable to them. But they are not the only breed in which allowances are given for what we consider unwanted behavior.

As far as them causing trouble for APBTs, well, the trouble is here. The APBT is so misidentified that very few people know what an APBT truly looks like. Hence why there are sooo many "find the pit bull" games out there that serve to prove such a point.

On another note, I do want to say that it's not really these dogs that are causing us problems. For example, the AmStaff that won Best of Breed in the AKC show back in Jan. showed some very disturbing & unbreedlike behavior towards the judge & still won. The dog had it's tail b/n it's legs the entire time, was struggling to get away from the judge & at one point snarled a lip during the examination all while the handler tried to turn the dog's head away & push the dog's body back in the judge's direction. ALL of this is on video & yet, this dog & it's handler were rewarded with a Best of Breed & got to continue to the Terrier group show.

 

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I would certainly question if that info is correct. Guatamala is in serious poverty and has always been, they struggle to feed themselves and have horrible medical care, I don't see some pure white, large breed, muscled dog I've never heard of like that stem from this culture. Usually areas like that develope pharia (spelling?) dogs like the besenji, by accident even. They don't have strict breeding programs, they don't even go out of their way to feed their dogs, they roam around the villages and are often considered a nuisence. I am of course, just assuming that this is a load of bull but I am basing this assumption on the fact that Guatamala is in incredible poverty and all the breeds that have developed in village areas like these tend to be accidental and look nothing like bulldogs, they are always little, skinny, scavanger dogs.

Feel free to disagree with me, or support some real evidence if you have some, but I'm not going to believe some text I read on a single web site which is selling these dogs for profit. I'm sorry to sound so aggressive and negative, but I'm just not buying it at this point.

Agian, I'm sorry to sound jerk-like but I really don't get it. I just don't see any Guatamalans owning a dalmation, boxer or bulldog in the past or ever. These are people struggling to survive and I don't see how any of them would have the time or money to breed a dog like this. Maybe I'm wrong, I've NEVER heard of this "breed" so I could be jumping to conclusions so if any of you know ANYTHING about this, please share.

 

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That is realy stupid...looks like a Dogo Argentino and his history is nearly the same...If you ask me...iam sure all this strong and fast Bully type hunter have a good dash Bulldogblood...but no one is honour about that...without the Bulldogblood they were not worthy to talk about...

 

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Actually everyone, come off the high horse. Just b/c a country is in poverty doesn't mean that it doesn't have a breed of choice....for that matter, a breed in which it developed.

We have Ca de Bous. Do some research. Do we have bogus, made up dogs? Did we just create them out of thin air? All of our dogs come from Puerto Rico which is not known for it's wealth, but that doesn't mean that people there don't take pride in their animals. In fact, the people we got the dogs from don't live in nice homes & are workers/farmers that make just enough. But they take great pride in the development & creation & maintenance of this breed. I also have a Dogo Argentino. People always mistake him for an oversized "pit bull", but just b/c he has simlar characteristics doesn't make him a pit bull & just b/c Argentina isn't the wealthiest nation, doesn't mean the breed is a made-up one. Hell, Louisiana is one of the poorest states in the U.S., yet we created the Catahoula did we not?

And just b/c a dog looks like another breed, doesn't make it that said breed. Many bulldog breeds look similar just as many molossar breeds look similar but that doesn't make them all the same breed. If that were the case, then Michael Bryant, other government officials are all right & we are all the morons. Com on people, open your eyes to the idea that other breeds, as new & under construction as they might be, DO exist.

 

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this goes for you two " realonebulldog ".....
first i would like to say, mia you amaze me every time... you are a very smart woman...

NOW TO THE POINT...... GUATAMALA ISNT SUCH A POOR COUNTRY... OFCOURSE THERE ARE SOME REMOTE ( VILLAGES AND WHATS NOT) BUT SO DOES THE USA, HELL, YOU EVEN HAVE THE "PROJECTS"... HAVE YOU EVER VISITED GUATAMALA CITY OR JUST MAYBE GUATAMALA FOR THAT MATTER. GUATAMALA CITY IS ALOT NICER THAN ALOT OF PLACES IN THE STATES AND THEY ARE ALOT OF REALLY REALLY WEALTHY PEOPLE THERE. THERE ARE TONS OF CATHEDRALS AND MALLS AND MANSSIONS AND CLUBS AND IT GOES ON... YOU WOULD BE VERY SURPISE ( DONT BELIVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON TV OR YOU NEWS TELLS YOU) I LIVE IN BELIZE WHICH BORDERS GUATAMALA SO I WOULD KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT THE COUNTY. THE PEOPLE ARE ALSO VERY INTELEGENT PEOPLE... THEY SPEAK SPANISH BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THEY DONT MAKE SENCE... THEY ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE OF CREATING A BREED AND PROBABLY HAVE AND CAN DO IT AGAIN...

 

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Okay, I am probably way off course, but has anyone heard of this breed before? I just invision a different dog from that area, but I'm probably again, way off and out of my league. I love Dogo Argentino, but even that is a breed that bulldog fanciers have been aware of. I don't know, I am ignorant to this breed entirely.

 

Re: "In the show ring if he tries to bite the judge, it is perfectly acceptable."

Do A Google Search They Are Real Dogs.

 

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LOL. It's not big deal. The fortunate thing for these dogs is that they have pretty much been contained within their country & have not fallen victim to America's thugs. There are many a "rare" breeds that are geographically specific b/c either a) the overall population/genepool of the dogs is small & people have yet to branch out into the breed or b) the owners of these breeds in other countries chose/choose not to put their dogs into the hands of strangers & people they do not trust. I had never heard of the Ca de Bou before 5 years ago as it is a very rare breed in the U.S. (I believe there are fewer than 20 dogs in the U.S.) mainly b/c the owners/breeders of this breed are still working to expand tha gene pool & are very wary of putting their dogs into the hands of strangers, especially Americans who love to ruin working breeds by breeding for other attributes.

 

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No that has absolut nothing to do with the high horse thing or wathever if you have just a little knowledge about genetic and breeding you see easily that many so called great dogbreds are very simple crossings..... I give you an easy example, you talked about the dogo argentino....people say he is a mix between the Irish wolfhound the boxer the great dane the spanish mastiff the doge de bourdeaux the pointer the english bullterier and finally the english bulldog. This are the breds that Antonio Nores Martinez used to create the dogo argentino.......and people say he made it in about 20 years.....a nearly pure white breed with short hair....and all that very different blood in it.....do you believe in Santa? With a simple look at this dog and some knowledge about his behavior(for example hunting in silence...) you know why Martinez was able to create this dog so fast. 50 % real Bulldog,20% American Bulldog20%boxer&great dane and (maybe) 10% Pointer........A rich or a poor land, that doesnt matters......the question is is it a thoroughblood or a mix product. For example the Sivas Kangal is a thoroughblood...a original... a real one...like ouer well bred Bulldogs....and the proud People that made him a thouroghblood are mostly very poore.

 

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good post realone

 

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Of course a lot of these breeds are crossbred dogs. But the fact is, unless you live in that country & have a true grasp of their heritage, then you have no right to say how long the breed has or has not been in existence. I'm tired of people thinking that if they don't know about it, then it can't possibly exist. 90% of these "rare" breeds are basically working dogs in their country of origination. Of course they had/have to be crossbred mutts b/c that's how ALL breeds eventually became distinct & into existence so there is no difference in these dogs. Most of these "rare" breed dogs are NOT pets to their owners, but are workers & guardians of the home. They actually serve a purpose.

Again, although I am quite new to all these rare breeds, I have spent the better part of the past 5 years learning all I can about them. Again, just because you've never seen it or heard of it, doesn't mean it does not exist.

 

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i couldnt have said it better. Great post.

 

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Looks to me that they are the same as Argentina Dogos...........

 

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looks can be decieving. there are a lot of dogs that look like apbt but that dosent mean they are. But they are quite similar in apperance.