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Impressive Obedience Vid

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by tomoe, Jan 24, 2006.

  1. catcher T

    catcher T CH Dog

    the dog sometimes picks his spot..we train with the bite sleeve on the arm
  2. Well said!

    The dog is not your "ordinary" game-bred. Rather, if it was bred (as stated on the video) by the trainer, it was bred to do this type of work. I believe those exceptional scores and titles give the trainer the benefit of the doubt when training in public while off the leash.

    "oh but what will people say,think?" There are three possible answers: "oh, there goes another dangerous 'pitt'", "oh, that's an obedient dog, what breed is it?", and last.."There goes a true Ambassador to our breed".

    The only part that made me hesitant was when handler/dog where indoors and decoy attempted to grab him from behind....here I thought internally "man, what if a friend/relative wanted to surprise him (handler) by grabbing him from behind? or What if couple of teens happen to be running behind them and met them (passing by) from behind?" I would hope a dog with such good scores/titles has been trained to recognize the difference.

    In regards to Schulzhund and protection training in general, IMO, any dog (regardless of breed) trained for this "sport" must be equally trained in companionship and any other training that will require a calm disposition.
  3. I am sorry to disagree with you. Those imbeciles (ones attempting to do as seen) should not be owning our breed or for that matter, dogs period.

  4. 14rock

    14rock GRCH Dog

    You're right, they shouldn't be owning the breed....but since its so easily accesible to anyone with the $$ now-days no one is going to stop them from owning one. Out of your three things people could say when seeing a dog like this......the two positive ones will not help the breed much at all, it will give them recognition to a couple people but they will just say "Its all in how you raise them, his wasnt raised to fight so its a good dog". However, all it takes is that one idiot who watches this and tries to do the same and his dog bites an innocent citizen....and its a headline goldmine. That one idiot can do far more damage much quicker than a group of well trained dogs can save!
  5. SouthernDixie

    SouthernDixie CH Dog

    Whether or not the video had protection work in it or not, to see how well the trainer had worked with him was the impressive part to me. Granted I disliked seeing the dog off leash in public, yet it was still pretty neat to see that dog obey so well. The dog was well behaved and well trained and I enjoyed the video for that reason.
  6. Damn, sorry to disagree with you (again). If you think avoiding "that" incident will change people's (those who think all "pit bulls" are vicious) perception, my friend, you are sadly mistaken. As you know, true APBT attacks on humans are a very, very small percentage of all dog-to-people attacks. As you know, poodles, Dalmatians, and Retrievers hold the highest combine percentage when comparing to other breeds together. Yet, our breed is the only one being condemned. IMO, it is due to localities passing "muzzle-that-pit" policies, requiring insurance on breed-specified dogs, Media propaganda, and uneducated general public.

    If anyone thinks that the general public's perception will change if we all muzzle and leash our dogs, you are sadly mistaken. In fact, muzzling (most of us will agree) our dogs in public will add to this misconception of "vicious dogs".

    Educating the masses by taking time to explain and demystify will ultimate save our breeds.....not by removing our dogs from public view or by "closing the circle". We also have to thank our cousins (the Staffies) for looking nice and playing nice with others. Thanks to properly bred Staffies, the "neutral" public is making statements like "it depends on how you raise them" more frequently than when the "Pit Bull" scare began.

  7. 14rock

    14rock GRCH Dog

    Well we seem to agree to disagree. You might look at Staffies as saving our breed by being non-dog-aggressive. I think it is ruining it. People see these dogs and believe "its all in how you train them, you can love the fight out of a pitbull, I've seen it myself!" then they are merely on their way to being another irresponsible owner who will further that myth. Its the people who think this way that think dog parks and letting dogs run around off-leash are o'k...

    If all owners made sure to inform everyone that they are playing the odds with a non-dog-aggressive dog and they are by far the exception-not the rule it would be a diffrent story. This video does not show that....the majority of people who watch this will come to the conclusion that all dogs are this way and this is a great thing. The fact is.....it takes a special dog to take to training this well and the dedication on the handlers part far exceeds what most people will go through.
  8. I cannot leave this thread without agreeing with you ;) . I totally agree.

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  9. Jenn

    Jenn Top Dog

    I think it's the difference in Schutzund vs. French Ring training? I'm sure someone could correct it if I'm wrong, but I think it's just part of the different methods of training between the two.
  10. rocksteady

    rocksteady I'll drink to that..

    dogs are usually trained to bite arms simply because most people hold a weapon in their hand and the purpose of the dog is not to actually attack and maul a person, but to disable a person, hold a person down, catch a person and prevent injury to the handler. Dogs are a protective measure.. they arent attacking just to bite.

    the dog may have been trained using several grab points.. whatever the reason I doubt the dog was poorly trained. Some of the best dogs in this type of work do scan the situation and act according..sometimes an arm hold isnt possible..not every situation a dog will encounter goes text book..
  11. Riptora

    Riptora CH Dog

    I never heard of a dog going for the leg as a first target, usually they use a sequence where in advanced training they will go for the leg if the arm does not work. I would look into the Leergurg website for info. The French Ring is the superbowl of protection training and you can get a ton of info on that site, it is an obsticle course but even then the dogs have a bite sequence they do have to compensate for each exercise (they use fire, tunnels, doors, guns) but the bites are supposed to be predicted for what I understand. Leerburg explains everything and has an amazing reputation, he is a trainer of trainers, GOOD trainers and explains everything in great detail. Has anyone heard of muzzle fighting? Not the type I read about on this forum, it is for protection work where the dog (on duty) wheres a basket muzzle a litterly 'punches' people with it, they also have a sequence, they start with the stomach and move to groin I believe.

    Am I wrong that it goes against the pit bull's nature to attack humans? I thought that was a major part of the breeds tempermental discription. Although I have read that many famus game dogs would bite humans.

    Can we see some citizen touch that guy in public? Did the dog break the heel position at the store and start acting nervous or suspicious? Not sure myself. What do those titles mean? One is UDX obedience, what is the Sport competition? Bye the way I am only picking this guy apart because he decided to train his dog to bite people and I think all these questions are more than reasonable.
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  12. missybee16

    missybee16 CH Dog

    This video shows impressive training skills, better than some. The dog looks & listens as his trainer speaks, some won't. I don't like this method of training, but when you have such good skills at it, doesn't hurt to show them off once in awhile.
  13. chinasmom

    chinasmom CH Dog

    Yes The Video Has It's Pro's And Con's, But The Way The Dog Looked To The Handler For Every Move Is Inspiring And Shows Great Respect And Loyalty On The Dogs Behalf.
  14. Riptora

    Riptora CH Dog

    As is the pit bull, one of the more loyal breeds!
  15. Dameon

    Dameon Big Dog

    -french ring has leg bites, you can train your dog to bite what ever body part that moves.

    -some people are going to say some thing negitive about every thing. I thought it was just about "protection" work but some can only think negitive.

    -my dog will not bite people for touching me due to a proper balance in training. I would strongly discourage anyone to TRY and take my wallet.

    -as far as carry a gun or do you own fighting, get your head out of your a$$!!!!! some people have disabilities so their has don't work. I can't even hold a gun jack a$$...
  16. PamJ

    PamJ Pup

    I think the dog done great work, as well as the handler. I also think people shouldn't be so negative, and if you don't know what you're talking about, you should probably keep your mouth shut, or just ask questions. Stick to what you know "Hog hunting"!
  17. Dameon

    Dameon Big Dog

    disabilities so their HANDS don't work.
  18. Hoyden

    Hoyden Top Dog

    From my point of view, a person who is handicapped and training her pit bull to be a service dog for her own use, the obedience and heeling work was pretty impressive.

    When they approached the store front and the dog waited for permission to greet the child, then resumed working on command was awesome to me. That is very important when working with a service dog.

    While the heeling excercizes in the parking lot were great, I'd love to see them done in the mall or another busy place. Now THAT would show serious training.

    As for the off lead comment, service dogs are trained to work on and off leash and must have excellent recall even in highly distracting environments.
  19. catcher T

    catcher T CH Dog

    that dog would do just as well in a busy mall as he did in the parking lot,,no doubt in my mind. And you right,,can do much with them if their recall lacks in any way at all.
  20. Riptora

    Riptora CH Dog

    Why choose this breed though? A breed not intended for this work? Does it not go against their nature to go after humans?
    There is no way that you could bring-up this subject and not expect extreme responses, not because people don't believe in protection training, but for one, because this is a pit, and because it is such a sensative subject. You can not deny that there are too many so called 'trainers' who train in protection and create incredibly unstable canine time bombs.
    I think that dogs should be utilitzed so much more in work than they are already, I think that the world would benfit if we relied more on working dogs. When it comes to protection though, it's touchy. Many fatal dog attacks are associatted with this 'training' by those who do not do it properly, including the Diane Whipple case in San Fran by the Presa Canario dogs. In my opinion it is hard to have the right dog, even in the breeds that are meant for this work because in my opinion it is unnatural for any dog to take-on a human.
    You should be happy that the people in this forum does not take this subject lightly. Especially because this is a breed with a bad reputation that is not originally intended to strike humans.

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