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how long to wait between parvo shots?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Jasminian, May 5, 2013.

  1. Jasminian

    Jasminian Pup

    Hello! i just joined and i have a gorgeous 14 week old purebred pitbull :) he's already had two of his parvo shots and i was wondering how long to wait before the next one. the previous owner said 3 weeks but i want to know if i can do it one day before the three weeks is up.

    thanks for any input im excited to be here and show off my baby!
     
  2. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Dated a few years but I still use this protocol and my vet recommends it too..


    Dr. Jean Dodd's NEW vaccine protocol:

    Dr. W. Jean Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools.

    Hi everyone.... THIS is wonderful news, that the veterinary schools are now going to be teaching that over-vaccination of pets (once a year "boosters") is only not necessary, but in some cases can be harmful or deadly! It has information for both dogs and cats. There still is an ongoing study regarding the Rabies vaccine. Most states now allow (reluctantly) 3 year Rabies, but the study is collecting data on whether or not even that may be too much. They are looking at 8 or 10 year Rabies!

    I hope you all stop having yearly boosters for your pets. If you're concerned with immune levels, have the vet run a Titer test. THEN and only then, if the levels are below acceptable, should you have a booster. After all, when is the last time you had a "booster" for smallpox, or whooping cough, or anything else you had shots for as a child? Immune systems work the same in all mammals, and the concept that pets have to have yearly shots doesn't make any more sense than if you had have shots every year. If mammals immune systems were that weak in fending off these things, all of them, us included, would have been extinct years ago!

    VACCINATION NEWS FLASH

    I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs those concerned about potential side effects.

    Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision.

    NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY

    "Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus (MLV) vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory cells induced."
    Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. "There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines." Puppies receive antibodies through their mother's milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 months) will provide lifetime immunity.

    CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS

    Distemper & Parvo *"According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 & 4 months and again at 1 year with MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity." Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper & 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are pending. "There are no new strains of parvovirus as one manufacturer would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for all types." Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be a cause of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis blue-eye" reactions & kidney damage.

    **Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called "Kennel cough". Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows, or for any reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal vaccine provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with less chance of reaction. Immunity requires 72 hours and does not protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity is of short duration (4 to 6 months).*

    *RABIES There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in Harris, Montgomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas] but there have been rabid skunks and bats so the potential exists. It is a killed vaccine and must be given every year.

    *Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can cause lameness, kidney failure and heart disease in dogs. Ticks can also transmit the disease to humans. The original Ft. Dodge killed bacteria has proven to be the most effective vaccine. Lyme disease prevention should emphasize early removal of ticks. Amitraz collars are more effective than Top Spot, as amitraz paralyzes the tick's mouthparts preventing transmission of disease.

    **VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED* *

    Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as well as increasing the risk of a reaction. Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting (dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell & Texas A&M have only diagnosed one case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease in adult dogs.*

    *Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs. Most of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia. The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection is short lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks.

    NEW DEVELOPMENTS:

    Giardia is the most common intestinal parasite of humans in North America, 30% or more of all dogs & cats are infected with giardia. It has now been demonstrated that humans can transmit giardia to dogs & cats and vice versa.*

    Heartworm preventative must be given year-round in Houston.

    *VACCINES BADLY NEEDED

    New vaccines in development include: Feline Immunodeficiency Virus and cat scratch fever vaccine for cats and Ehrlichia [one of the other tick diseases, much worse than Lyme] for dogs.

    THE VIEW FROM THE TRENCHES; BUSINESS ASPECTS

    Most vets recommend annual boosters and most kennel operators require them. For years, the pricing structure of vets has misled clients into thinking that the inherent value of an annual office visit was in the "shots". They failed to emphasize the importance of a physical exam for early detection of treatable diseases. It is my hope that you will continue to require Rabies & Kennel cough and emphasize the importance of a recent vet exam. I also hope you will accept the new protocols and honor these pets as currently vaccinated. Those in the boarding business who will honor the new vaccine facilities reluctant to change.

    CONCLUSION

    Dogs & cats no longer need to be vaccinated against distemper, parvo, & feline leukemia every year. Once the initial series of puppy or kitten vaccinations and first annual vaccinations are completed, immunity from MLV vaccines persists for life. It has been shown that cats over 1 year of age are immune to Feline Leukemia whether they have been vaccinated or not.

    Imagine the money you will save, not to mention less risks from side effects, risk of mediated hemolytic anemia and allergic reactions are reduced by less frequent use of vaccines as well as by avoiding unnecessary vaccines such as K-9 Corona virus and chlamydia for cats, as well as ineffective vaccines such as Leptospirosis and FIP. Intranasal vaccine for Rhiotracheitis and Calici virus, two upper respiratory viruses of cats provide more complete protection than injectable vaccines with less risk of serious reactions.

    The AAHA and all 27 veterinary schools of North America are our biggest endorsement for these new protocols.*


    *Dr. Bob Rogers*

    Please consider as current on all vaccinations for boarding purposes.

    DOGS Initial series of puppy vaccines:




    1. Distemper, hepatitis, parvo, parinfluenze - 3 sets one month apartconcluding at 16 weeks of age.*

    2. Rabies at 16 weeks of age (later is better)

    3. Bordetella within last 4-6 months First annual (usually at 1 year and 4 months of age)*

    1. DHP, Parvo, Rabies

    2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months 2 years or older


    1. Rabies within last year

    2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months

    3. DHP & Parvo given anytime over 6 months of age , but not necessarily within the last year.

    Recommended: Physical exam for transmissible diseases and health risks.
     
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  3. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    No less than 2 weeks, no more than 3!
     
  4. ElJay

    ElJay CH Dog

    3-4 weeks.
     
  5. Jasminian

    Jasminian Pup

    thanks for the info and advice everyone!! i gave him his third parvo shot this week, right on time, and boy was he mad! had never given a shot to an animal, plenty to humans but not to an animal. i felt like a super bad mom but he is really happy to get to play in the grass now :) will hopefully get some pics up of him soon!
     
  6. Don't know why the pup would have been mad if the shot was given correctly. Mine act like they never even felt it.
     
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  7. ATEXAN

    ATEXAN Big Dog



    since you brought it up I to follow this. Had a dog die from booster. Ask your vet to order Nobivac DPV, it has none of the other stuff thats unneeded. And I do titers as well from Texas A &M
     
  8. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    I follow the same as agk put up...all-way's did....friend i know,lost a-lot to parvo...he made the mistake of giveing the one that survived,,a shot...which killed it..the vet said he should not have done..as the dog had built up a immunity after haveing survived it in the first place...and was weak..done more harm than good.../??
     
  9. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    2-3..........................................................
     
  10. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Ive been pretty lucky in the dogs. Have never had a case of parvo in 17 years in the breed. Seen it plenty on other yards though and its a sad thing to watch a pup just fade away right in front of you in a short period of time. An ounce of prevention goes a long way.
     
  11. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    It is a crap disease...r-member, in the 70's+80's it really hit...saw whole yard's of different dog's wiped-out...the thing is,those that survived..built up some immunity which was a good thing....1-thing stick's in my mind,when i was a kid my sister bringing home,a little shepard pup..full of life..3 day's later,it was turning it's inside's out.dead in less than 24 hour's..other diseases then attacked the weakend hound's.....some people stoped keeping dog's all-together........so it's best to stay on top of thing's when it's come's to your hound's health..................
     
  12. impactkennels

    impactkennels Banned

    Jasminian, may i suggest that you buy a book "The Complete Gamedog" it is a good book with tons of useful info on the care of your dogs.
     
  13. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Weren't you just busting Boogiemans balls about doing this on the above ground pens thread? lol Glass houses and all...
     
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  14. sadieblues

    sadieblues CH Dog

    lol True True ...
     
  15. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    Good article, AGK. I have gone through most all of the recommended shot procedures over the years, since the first onslaught of parvo, then corona. Shifting antigens such as the root ill, parvo, are difficult to keep up with because it is always the strongest entity of the virus which survives. Hence the term, survivor strain.
    Unfortunately, it being stronger in its reconfiguration than the original, it is most often worse............more vicious.
    I now, give 2 shots. One being the puppy version, and sometimes the PC pup version, as soon after weaning as possible. The fear of it interfering with mama's titer is pretty much dispelled, now. I give another innoc. in roughly 3 weeks. I use a 7 in 1 shot. At this time, the pups are 8 to 9 weeks old, and the shot should cover their resistance to the viruses for a good amount of time.
    The pups being covered until the age of 5 to 6 months, I see no need for another, and I do not give yearly shots.
    Reason: A pups growth is largest, PERCENTAGE WISE, in the first 6 mo. Growth is the splitting of whole cells into two, half cells. The half cells are weaker and more vulnerable to viruses and other maladies, until they form into two WHOLE cells.
    Once the pups reach 6 months or so, their half cells are so few in percentage that they no longer are at any serious risk for such sicknesses, given the pups are otherwise healthy in all other ways. The risk of adverse effect from the innocs. is actually a little greater than any benefit one might gain, and more than any degree of insurance against virus intrusion at this point.
    I have never seen a grown dog with parvo or corona. If you have a grown dog with anemia, dehydration and diarrhea symptoms, you probably have another problem altogether.
    Speaking of preventatives, I also put a dose of Sul Met in my pup waters. Since doing so, I have not had a case of coccidia in over 30 years. Once they are taken from the pen and into yard, it is no longer needed. Constant water care IS.
     
  16. Ignorance is bliss AGK. Stupid fuckers will always be just that.......stupid fuckers lol
     
  17. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    A friend of mine lost 4/5 young dog's to parvo last year..think most were at the 9-12 month age...he never bothered with any shot's....a costly mistake.....7/1 is wat i use mostly......
     
  18. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    BLUE, this is why I said "OTHERWISE HEALTHY". And if your friend gave NO shots at all, then therein lies vulnerability in itself. There should be plenty of immune time after the second shot. Much past their vulnerable stages of growth.
     
  19. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    To be honest,i think he was trying to save a buck,,or jus lazy when it came to his dog's health.....he be the fella, that throw's the water after the fire's out............lol.........good post.....have seen parvo and distemper do it's work...any-body ever have experience with the other disease's...??????????????
     
  20. Jasminian

    Jasminian Pup

    he was mad cuz he had to be held down to get the shot and he doesnt like that at all!

    in my town, there are SO many cases of parvo. there a ton of areas that are known to have parvo and i didnt want to be sorry by not giving him the last shot and then losing him. my boyfriend and his bestfriend got pups from a litter and they had their first two shots, needed the last one, and they both contracted parvo. they were able to be nursed back to health using pedialyte and pureed foods and are both very healthy adults now. its amazing what they can get thru with the right care!! but i didnt want to risk it so i got him the shot and he loves playing outside now :)
     

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