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History of Bulldogs in the Islands ?

Discussion in 'International' started by Mextra, Sep 21, 2015.

  1. Mextra

    Mextra Big Dog

    Ive always wanted to know of the history of Gamedogs over in the islands PR , DR, USVI , West Indies etc . Thru the years you kinda got pieces ,but who were the guys to really get it started out there ?
     
  2. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    before castro, cuba was the real las vegas and a gamblers paradise... birds, dogs and horses always been a part of the gamblers culture and cuba probably was the first island as the cuban livewire proved with sparks hunky in the fifties, which proves they were doing it forsometime before that,probably back to the days of when the spanish cordobas were being crossed to make dogos argintina by dr. martinez in the early part of that century...
     
  3. StarLion

    StarLion Pup

    With a history of British colonisation the West Indies have a long history in bulldogs. Added to that there have been native islanders active in the US dog scene. Met a "deportee" once who grew up near Baker Davis and owned CH's off Boomerang and Midnight Cowboy, Gr Ch Haunch second win over Chaos, a dog owned by an islander.
    The early times though was country rules moving pit, haha,early to mid nineties Cajun rules were employed, mainly influenced by returning or travelling nationals.
    One of the early pedigreed imports:
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=204728
    He was followed by the UK dogs from Skipper:
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=201800
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=204700


    Some Al Capone :
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=939
    And off Nelis:
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=405995
    It is also interesting to point out that in another area, certain key UK dogs came to the islands in '91 when the laws were passed
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=86371
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=87706
    It must be mentioned that Joe Montana spent his last days in the sea and sand along with some of his descendants:
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=33751
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=114456
    Today, however, the standards of dogs and dogmen are on par with anywhere in the world. The problem is island life is such that after one or two hunts no one wants or could handle the good ones, so most times travelling is a necessity but not always a possibility.
     
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  4. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    great history starlion thanks for the share...
     
  5. Mextra

    Mextra Big Dog

    Great info thanks Starlion , EP i remember reading the stories about Bebo Goenega , Old Jornals with Miranda and Costa's GrCh Onyx , Nursemen and others
     
  6. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    just the fact that cuba had a champion in the fifties shows to be history and I wonder if theere is any known history for somone to share or dig up...
    too bad thier not into it like they are thier fifties american cars, theyd have sure have some collection...
    Any cuban stories would be of interest...

    Carvers Iron Head is buried on the same island as his great, great grandson Doucetts Cracker as well his son IBM...
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1139] :: DOUCET'S CRACKER
    Crackers other son David korish lost game to StoneCitys grandchampion Yellow Buck, another fine kennel and line with established roots in the islands...
    STONE CITY KENNELS GRCH YELLOW BUCK American Pitbull Gamedog History
     
  7. Murk

    Murk Pup

    It seems like most of the fast lane kennels are in the islands now. How are they able to stay so active in the islands, are the laws different?
     
  8. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    My evaluation always come down to origins...
    Both the brittish isles and the states "own" some of these islands we speak of and both are located in the north and are heavily goverened with thier own laws...
    Say south of the states, such as mexico and south america the laws are mostly good ol boy corruption, and money rules...
    well inbetween are these islands... and even though they are "owned" by the us and uk, they are closer to the southern ways of corruption as the u.s. and u.k. "own" them but dont want to really govern them anymore than a stronghold...
    So yes more laws than the south, but no, not as much as the north...
    Its very easy to skip from island to island and they might have a very different culture but all share the same passion and compition is fierce...Haitais and DR are not "owned" by the u.s and u.k. as haitias has no laws and D.R. are right behind them...
    DR has a steady growing bulldog fancy as some well known dogmen from the states are sending wellbred dogs backhome...

    It would be awesome if thier was a spanish site or thread thats translated to english, thre has to be some deeper history of all the spanish speaking areas such as cuba, might be of a great historic value...
     
  9. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    Laws are same in the VI, PR, West Indes (Barbados and T&T I can speak of) but they generally have bigger issues to work with. Some good dogmen in St. Lucient and St. Vincent willing to travel. Same with PR and DR. A big thing with these places are resources. The men I know of in these areas generally don't have the time, space, or money to wait on dogs or keep them around just because.
     
  10. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    I agree, PR is overpopulated and ny has more prs than pr...
    If you cant fit people, there no reason to keep subpar bulldogs and I beleive they are banned on the island making keeping culls even dumber for a multitude of reasons... St Croix used to be the place before 9/11 slowed the tourists...
     
  11. CHUVALOFAN

    CHUVALOFAN Top Dog

    What a great and well informed tread, great posts guys.
     
  12. dwd58

    dwd58 Big Dog

    If I remember correctly, there was a big bust a few years ago in P.R.
     
  13. NatureBoy

    NatureBoy Big Dog

    Was speaking with Tony Faceitti's son actually a few hrs ago. Good to see that name in the history books!
     
  14. John Galt

    John Galt Pup

  15. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

  16. John Galt

    John Galt Pup

    c_note, is your dog bred similar to that one?
     
  17. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    Naw. He is mostly Boyles, with a lil Eli, and Redboy. I like as LITTLE Redboy blood as possible. We weighed my boy today, he was 61 unconditioned. Im puttin a lil 2 week thing on him now. Should get some pics soon
     
  18. John Galt

    John Galt Pup

  19. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

  20. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    I agree cnote,,,
    I like seeing such a big specimen and bred well too boot...
     

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