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Handwalking

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Bangman, Apr 29, 2020.

  1. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    @benthere the dog in profile pic was the female...she went 1hr and 35mins but lost fang on a hard scratch into the mouth so I picked her up
     
  2. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Good looking bitch, nice bone. Hope you got some pups off her
     
  3. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I enjoyed reading the Robert Lemm material and watching the videos.

    I can see and use some of his points but I have never bought into the -free keep-. I'm of the thinking there is a time for muscular endurance.

    I like his approach to the mills and use some things similar but on a carpet mill. Same principles but with resistance.

    I always use the spring pole and the hide during the keep. For me it is about timing.

    I try to use it with all four feet on the ground and pulling backwards. In keep I do not care about the hide being elevated.

    I'm a big fan of handwalking, especially dragging chains. I like to pull light weight with a tired dog so he can recover under load.

    Great topic.

    S
     
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  4. SMD760

    SMD760 Big Dog

    Has anyone ever tried a tabata protocol on a dog? Double work to rest ratio at full exertion. Example would be 20 seconds on ten off 15 times in a row.
     
  5. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Simply put, that’s too much work. The conditioning is not the performance (the contest) conditioning is preparation for the contest, for one performance,
     
  6. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    Directly off her NO...but got 2 males off her littermate breed back to granddaddy...and turned out pretty nice schooling went well last WEEKEND in the foothills
     
  7. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I have never read the 'tabata protocol' but I will look it up.

    I do use the carpet mill in spurts like that. I do it in two versions.

    One I sprint the dog out as hard as he will go for XX amount of seconds. Then I stop him for YY amount of seconds. The length of time depends on the dog and where he is at conditioning wise. Over time XX is easy so we move to XXX. The amount of recovery time (YY) will drop to Y.

    Upon the initial increase to XXX the recovery time will go back to YY and eventually drop to Y.

    When I condition a dog I like to see the increases in the work as much as anyone (XXXX) but I am for more concerned with the continual decreases in the recovery times (Y).

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  8. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I do not agree about the amount of work but I do agree is is the preparation.

    Delving into preparation I try to mimic the efforts required in the contest.

    The recovery process in the show is not free it is under load.

    I lean to this way of thinking because I can't think of any other sport where there are no time limits and no scheduled breaks. There are no mile markers or timed rounds. It is release and then there is a winner. The scratches between the two may or may not happen.

    I do a number of things with the dogs in keep, mostly tailored around what that particular dog works best. My preferred tool is the free-er turning carpet mill. When I use the slat mill it is more of a set up tool to wind/somewhat tire the dog and then we pull chains (about 20%-25% of his body weight). I pull away from the mill until he recovers. Drop the chains and then back to the mill.

    Each set is different in time as the dog progresses with preparation/conditioning and regresses as he works that day.

    Basically I chase the work with the rest. When the rest catches the work I increase the work, and so on.

    Seldom are two days the same and pretty much never are two dogs the same.

    But again, I understand the principles of the Lemm approach and agree with them for the most part.

    I was trading information with a sled dog racer a few years back and he sent me a video of a sled dog tread mill inside a refrigerated 53 foot box trailer. He hooks up his dogs all at once, and although it is an e-mill, he uses the Robert Lemm plan almost to the T, with the exception of it not being a free turning slat mill per dog.

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  9. SMD760

    SMD760 Big Dog

    That’s what this is designed to do increase cardiovascular performance and decrease recovery time. You could really Taylor it to any activity because you can lengthen the work Or shorten the work. Which would do the same for the rest. Intensity always remains the same but you can also add sets. I do this a lot in my own training so I’ll start with 10 sets and try to build up to 25, it’s very difficult work! When my dog and I run we some modified sets at the end and he is always is extra tiered after. But he’s conditioned for the couch!
     
  10. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    You would think a mixture of jogging mixed with fast sprints would really get the fitness up, plenty of hill sprints would be a massive heart burner.
     

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